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Siegfried
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quote:
I beleive that it is right for people to enjoy music freely without shelling out massive bucks to recording companies of which the artist receives a half a procent or similar.

I believe the key to the fundamental flaw in logic in Infinity's argument is right here. You see, if I go out and buy a CD or cassette of the new Nelly Furtado album, the recording company that she has a contract with is going to give her part of the profits. In your opinion, it's only a half or a percent or so. However, if I pay you ten bucks to make download the songs to her album and put them on a CD for me, you get to keep all of the money. Nelly Furtado sees nothing for her effort.

In short, you're chastising the recording company for only giving her a half of a percent, but that's a heck of a lot more than the zero percent you're giving her.


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Omega
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1) If you create something, you alone have the right to make copies of it.

2) If someone else makes a copy of something on which you own the copyright, it is stealing.

3) Stealing is wrong.

Which one do you disagree with, Infinity?

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Sol System
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Is this a Lounge topic or a Flameboard topic?
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Siegfried
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You may want to go ahead and move this to the Flameboard, Sol. It's gonna start getting ugly by tomorrow morning.
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Siegfried
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Ya know what? If you rearranged and reworded Omega's previous post, you'd have a perfectly sound and valid ethical argument against selling bootleg CD's of MP3s.

1) Stealing is wrong because it deprives one of the enjoyment they obtain from an object.

2) Making a bootleg CD's of MP3's and selling those CD's deprives the originator of the enjoyment of earning the proceeds from the legal sell of that object.

3) Therefore, selling a bootleg CD of MP3's is wrong.

It's valid (the conclusion follows from the two premises) and sound (all premises are true).

Yay! I actually retained information from the ethics class I just finished!


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PsyLiam
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As a side thing, I do actually make mp3s of other peoples CD's. Not the whole thing, just certain tracks. And yes, I know it's wrong. Still, in most cases, it's of singles I would never buy. If it's an album I like, I will buy it.

And you've made a huge leap in your arguments Infinity:

"I beleive that it is right for people to enjoy music freely without shelling out massive bucks to recording companies"

Now, I'd bet there are a few people here with illegal mp3's on their hard drive. Fair enough. It's naughty.

"I cannot beleive I have met a person that finds the free exchange of information immoral, why should people have to listen to shit-quality radio that blares out advertisements most of the time."

And here's the leap. First, music doesn't count as "Free information", any more than novels or films do. Second, those advertisements are there to pay the record company, who pay the artist.

And thirdly, it's hardly "free exchange of information" if you are charging people for it, is it?

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Malnurtured Snay
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Of course, it should be noted that despite the file-swapping services out there (Napster, Gnutella, etc.), record sales have actually stayed constant (from before Napster) and increased -- there's no loss in revenue to the record companies.

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PsyLiam
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I did hear though that record sales were down around universities. Or at least, universities with good internet connections...

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MC Infinity
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quote:
Originally posted by PsyLiam:
And thirdly, it's hardly "free exchange of information" if you are charging people for it, is it?

I charge for the cost of the disk and a small fee for the use of the CD burner, they do wear out the more you use them. I charge $5 Canadian for a CD, I do not make a lot in terms of profit. If someone wanted an mp3, I would give it to them for free because it does not COST ME anything, when something COSTS ME, then I CHARGE. I don't rip people off, I leave that to corporations

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TSN
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"...I do not make a lot in terms of profit."

You shouldn't be making any profit!


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Omega
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I don't rip people off

Giving away something that doesn't belong to you is stealing, is it not?

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Malnurtured Snay
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Well, but in the sense that MC Infinity can provide a CD full of songs a person wants ...

Rather then a CD with one or two good tracks and nine or ten really crappy tracks ...

Which is why I hate buying CDs. I mean, I think The Offspring's last CD was a "best buy" in terms of great songs: Feelings, Have You Ever, Kid's Aren't Alright, Pretty Fly (For A White Guy), She's Got Issues, Walla-Walla, Why Don't You Get A Job, & Staring at the Sun. However, most CDs REALLY suck. I mean, christ, the new Weezer album has like TWO good songs, and eight crap songs. So, essentially, you're paying about $8 per song.

Now, if the record companies would produce made to order compilations ...

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TSN
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That's why I don't have a problem w/ d/l'ing MP3s and such. If I like enough songs on an album to make buying it worthwhile, I certainly do so. If it isn't worthwhile, I just get the songs for free off the 'net. But I would never consider profiting off of reselling songs. That's just wrong.
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MC Infinity
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Then I suppose I should just slap a Salvation Music Army label on my computer and waste time (which IS worth money) on providing people with free music?

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Me- Hi Jen! What's up!
Jen- You again??!?! Listen kid, I'm not interested in you. Stop bothering me, I'm a lot older than you and I have a boyfriend. How did you find my ICQ number anyways?
Me- Oh, so just cuz you're a movie star now, and you're new album made millions, you think you're too good for me?
Jen- Yes!!! Get it thorough your head! I am a person, I am not Jennifer Lopez the hottest woman on earth that everyone wants to sleep with, I'm a person, leave me alone!!!
Me- Fine! Be that way!
Me- Jen.... Where'd you go.... I love you... please come back.... please....

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TSN
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Either that, or don't give them any music at all. But you can't just sell other people's work and keep the money for yourself.
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