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Some say, live and let live...
SOME SAY, EAT OR BE EATEN!
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-------------------- "It speaks to some basic human needs: that there is a tomorrow, it's not all going to be over with a big splash and a bomb, that the human race is improving, that we have things to be proud of as humans." -Gene Roddenberry about Star Trek
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i'm scared for us all..
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No, but now I'm reading that this glittery new machine won't boot OS9. From the G5 developer note it looks like we'll still be able to run Classic (which is good since the main app I use for my business uses the advanced 1995 technology of Deneba (we used to run this program albeit slowly on a Mac IIci.)) So, I know why they've done this, it's asking a lot for developers to make Mac versions and asking them to split across two OSes is really stretching their resolve. But like, this is different than the Wintel world. I haven't tried it, but I think I could run pretty much any Windows OS on any machine I wanted, couldn't I? Like so if (for some god forsaken reason) I decided that I wanted my P4 2.8 GHz blast-furnace gargantua (with an extra dose of ugly-case and turbine noise) to run Windows 95 (or even DOS 3.1? {gasp}), I could do that, right? Like M. Cartmaniac, I run Win2K Pro on my two main wintel boxes now (I've got an old HP running 95, but I've fired that up maybe once in the last three months), and I'm just realizing that 2K is a 3 year-old OS (though fuck if I'm switching to XP yet). I locked myself out of the one W2K box and so I'm thinking of reverting to Win 98SE on that one for the games. But, like, I have that option. Also, I could go the other way, so that if (by some miracle) I had enough memory in that HP Pentium, I could install XP, and it would be slow as molasses, but it would work, n'est pas? Tell me like it is, oh, ye, jeering, sneering PC drones.
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Balaam, what kind of program is it that your company's using that it can't be ported to OS X? I don't know all of the specifics, but I don't see why there couldn't be some kind of fix to get something working in X for you.
Do you remember the big WWDC conference last year in 2002? I think that was the one when Steve Jobs got overly melodramatic and held a mock funeral for OS 9. Basically the point is that there will be no more development of the OS 9 platform, aside from enhancing its performance through the Classic mode in OS X.
Yeah, it's been controversial because it's been looked on as a form of forced upgrades... but look at it from Apple's point of view -- OS X is such a huge improvement over OS 9, and if it takes twice as many resources to develop an app for both versions, then it'd be better to go with the newer system.
I know it took me a few weeks to get used to the differences in OS X when I first switched over, but believe me -- it's worth it.
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quote:Originally posted by MinutiaeMan: Balaam, what kind of program is it that your company's using that it can't be ported to OS X?...
I'm using a really old version of Deneba Canvas which is, like, both a pixel and vector editor. There's a great new OSX version (9) and it's solid and everything. I even know how to use it. It's just that it has a lot of bells and whistles you just don't use in my line of work, and believe it or not, that ancient version of Canvas (3.5.4) is really perfect. It's fast and terrifically efficient (very little lag), the interface is no frills, no nonsense and when it comes to deadlines there's just nothing faster.
quote:Originally posted by MinutiaeMan: ...I know it took me a few weeks to get used to the differences in OS X when I first switched over, but believe me -- it's worth it.
No I use OSX. I love it. It's terrific. It's ridiculously stable. I think I've had three system crashes since switching and they've all been Firewire related (my mini-DV camera doesn't like ANYTHING else plugged in while it's on.) Aside from that I don't like the way that it orders things (4504 comes before 32004) in column view (which otherwise just kicks such amazingly major amounts of ass it's ridiculous) So, I'm all over the X. It's almost like having a new machine. Almost. I still yearn for that duallie-G5. I had to take a client to lunch this afternoon while the final tweaks to their video project (and primarily the letterbox conversion) rendered in Final Cut.
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MimamumiaieMan: "'Course, OS X is a Unix-based system now..."
What?!!! Precisely like that fuckardly management system in Jurassic Park? Where that snotty little brat had to sail through the system software folders using a flight simulator, to get the frigging doors to lock?
I think you overrestimate their chances!
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OSX was still firmly based on FreeBSD, last time I checked. That Unix misconception just won't die...
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quote:Originally posted by Nim: What?!!! Precisely like that fuckardly management system in Jurassic Park? Where that snotty little brat had to sail through the system software folders using a flight simulator, to get the frigging doors to lock?
I think you overrestimate their chances!
First off, get your facts straight, buddy. Mac OS X uses FreeBSD 4.4 and GCC 3.1 as the base system for OS 10.2. It's been that way since the very beginning of OS X. I've got it installed on my own system, too.
Besides, there are LOTS of varieties of Unix systems out there -- precisely because it's such a time-tested OS. And that's why the majority of enterprise servers out there still use Unix to power their systems. And like most computer systems out there, the interfaces can be customized for various purposes and styles.
Besides, remember that in "Jurassic Park" the fat computer administrator who got eaten was a jackass anyway, and probably set up something like that just to make things difficult for everyone else.
No need to be so rude about this, Nim.
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...And now, Apple has yet again topped the charts in PC Magazine's annual Service and Reliability survey. With all of the crap that people seem to get from some of the Wintel machine manufacturers, you'd think more people would just get fed up!
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