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Austin Powers
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Perhaps 9-11 happended especially because of W!?

**petconspiracytheory**

No, but seriously, I think having W as president of the US is the scariest scenario for almost any non-US citizen on the planet.

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Jason Abbadon
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quote:
Originally posted by Harry:
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Originally posted by First of Two:
Except the concept of Al Gore trying to fight the war on terrorism really IS scary.

Scarier than Zombie Overlord Rumsfeld?
How 'bout Zombie Overlord Liberman?
Having someone named "Liberman" as VP would have gone over soaringly with the muslim nations we're supposedly trying to work with.
....and you think middle-east paece is a pipe dream now.... [Roll Eyes]

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Jason Abbadon
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quote:
Originally posted by First of Two:
Doing it right:

My plan would go something like this:

#7 Mass drivers. Capture comets, asteroids. If H20 absent on moon, jump this priority up and drop a couple small comets onto the Moon's south pole.


Throwing mass-driven large masses at the Moon is the begining of a very bad sci-fi diasater movie.

It'd be far better (and less potentially extinction-causing) to crash those cometary bodies into Mars' equatorial region (flat, easily accessable plains for hundreds of miles in places) and use the ice for future Martian colonization.

Of course, if we had feasible Mss-Drivers, we could set up a base in the Jovian system and take what we want from Europa or even Ganeymede.

The real trick will be engineering ourselves for low-G or null-G environments: any space explorers sent out for a mission of several years would never be able to return home (at least not without extreme health risks).

Buzz Aldrin was quoted this week as saying:
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I think the next step in our space program should be to create a floating launching pad for manned and unmanned missions to the Moon, Mars and beyond. This is not a task for the unfinished International Space Station, which is intended to be a floating laboratory rather than a bridge to the heavens.

A much more practical destination than the moon or the space station is a region of space called L 1, which is more than two-thirds of the way to the moon and is where the gravity fields between the Earth and Moon are in balance. Setting up a space port there would offer a highly stable platform from which spacecraft could head toward near-Earth asteroids, the lunar surface, the moons of Mars and wherever else mankind decides to travel.

Unlike the Moon and the International Space Station, which is in low-earth orbit, L 1 is not the site of strong gravitational pulls, meaning that spacecraft can leave there without using much energy. Thus L 1 would be the most sensible position for a base that would function as a test area and way-point for robotic flights as well as a support station and safe haven for human exploration of the solar system.

It would also be relatively cheap, at least in terms of space travel. To create a port at L 1 we can use the building methods that have already proved successful for Skylab and the International Space Station � and we can probably get it up and running for $10 billion to $15 billion, significantly less than the International Space Station, which will likely exceed $100 billion in the end. We can also save money by shifting away from using the space shuttle as the transport vehicle and by developing a new, more flexible launch vehicle and crew module to get people and cargo up to the L 1 port.

Intresting stuff, but NASA really doesnt want to hear from ol' Buzz.
Too bad really, they could use some of his long reaching ideas instead of the shortsighted plans they've offered in the past five years.

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I'm tired of outer space, I want the world's oceans to be mapped and scanned.
First of all, would be nice with a live photo of that new Super-squid they discovered.

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As soon as that happens, some fuck-o will declare the squid to have magical dick-lengthening properties and it'll be on a japanese menu.
It happened to the Oarfish, after all.

Let Architothis Dax(sp?) remain unseen and it'll have a better chance of survival.

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The benefits of the LaGrange Points have been known for decades.Various purpose-built stations at the first five LaGrange Points would be the best infrastructure for Earth-Luna actions...

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Why do people go on about Null-grav? What is so hard about rotating sections to create artificial gravity!?!?!

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It's so hard to place millions of pounds of technology in space without any way to really test it on earth for starters.
More imporntantly, the simulated gravity wouldnt counteract all the effects on a person's autoimmune system: it might keep your feet planted on the deck but it's not the same thing on a cellular level.

It would still help though, I'm sure.

We'll probably have to wait untill mankind has orbital manufacturing facilities before we coud attempt that kind of spinnning environment.

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Why doesn't artificial gravity by rotation work on a cellular level? If it's the same acceleration, how would they notice?

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Well, I don't know the numbers, but I'm guessing it wouldn't be the same acceleration. It would probably only simulate a fraction of Earth's gravity. Enough so that a person can walk, so that things go "down" when they're dropped, so that your drink doesn't simply float out of your glass... But it still wouldn't be what a human body is designed for.

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Jason Abbadon
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I heard about the diffrence on Science Frontiers: something about the force not being quite consistant throught the body in such a small rotation.
THey were mainly concerned about screwing with the brain's chemestry during long missions.

Sad, but they said the hokey "rubberband" restraints to provide resistance at 1G levels and developing something to prevent bone loss would probably be the best they could come up with in the near future.

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"Why do people go on about Null-grav? What is so hard about rotating sections to create artificial gravity!?!?!"

Uh, we're not going on about null-grav INSIDE stations, we're going on about null-grav OUTSIDE them.

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The Devil: Why exactly do we need people in space, again?
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Because it's cool.
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And if the yanks don't, the Chinese will.
Can't have that now, can we?

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