quote:Because most of them privately hate their government even more than you hate yours.
This from the poster boy for Anti-Big Brother (oh, unless its a Republican big brother reality, in which case Rob fears the government so much he doesn't even feel he has the freedom to protest it and . But that's because Rob knows that liberals value freedom, and conservatives only pay it lip service).
Okay, I should have said "current" government.
quote:vow to die with his Sig-Sauer in hand, as he did when Clinton was in office
Nope, never did that. More Snayslander. Or is it libel? I don't know the legal term when it's in non-print text.
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quote: I can't tell whether you're doing it intentionally or not. Since you're fairly smart, I ham forced to suspect that you're doing it on purpose.
Thank you. Except for the ham part, I could say the same thing about you.
Thing is, I just do not understand why you appear to think that an invasion of Iraq would be easy or not bring about a huge loss of life on both sides.
We're talking about invading another country here. I do know that community and home is very important to people all around the world. Important enought to fight for as an end unto itself.
Invading another country means taking cities and towns and controling them. That means house to house and street to street fighting, which can be accomplished quite well even with a relatively small number of people, especially if those people are fighting for homes and family or are willing to die for their cause.
Controling another country to bring about changes you feel desirable means long term commitment of troops, material, money and time. If we look at Afghanistan as an example of any of this, the Mr. Bush has failed in all these respects.
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quote: WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. officials on Tuesday laid out plans for a two-year military occupation of Iraq in the event of an invasion and told wary senators that "enormous uncertainties" made it impossible to say whether troops might stay even longer or how much it would all cost.
quote:Originally posted by Jay the Obscure: Controling another country to bring about changes you feel desirable means long term commitment of troops, material, money and time. If we look at Afghanistan as an example of any of this, the Mr. Bush has failed in all these respects.
Yes... If I'm not mistaken the US military occupation of Japan lasted SEVEN YEARS... as in, the Japanese surrendered in late 1945, and the US troops didn't turn over control to a civilian government unti 1952!
I don't recall the specific dates for the occupation of Germany, but I'm pretty sure it lasted about as long.
The general public these days has no idea what is required of these campaigns -- and I'm worried that our leaders don't really know, either.
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FOT I guess you either didn't read this or chose to ignore it.
quote:He also contested the theory that the Iraqis knew in advance what sites were to be inspected. He added that they expected to be bugged "by several nations" and took great care not to say anything Iraqis could overhear.
I am also going to assume you know what a map is, you did work in a library. So, you just point at the place on the map you are going to go to tomorrow and say " Tomorrow we are going here." Or maybe you know what a computer is, I'm going to assume that to as you post on here. Then you just send a file to each other(you know what a file is, eh) and it has the iterary on it for the next week. You can have one guy planning and send the file to each other through a closed network. Or I guess they could do the circle jerk dance you seem so fond of.
And lastly you don't think that the inspection team has it's own secure communications? You really got to get out of that AV room once and a while. The world is changing while you are stuck in there.
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MinutiaeMan, the situation in Germany 1945 was completely different than the one in Iraq today.
Germans in 1945 hated the dictator who had ruined their country. The great majority saw the U.S. forces as former enemies turned liberators. Over the years the sentiments grew even more pro-America. I don't think the Iraqis would react like that in any way. They didn't suffer a terrible six-year war their dictator had started in a mad conquest for territory and power. I think in their eyes the U.S. are just agressors who want to take over their country and its oil reserves.
Why should the Iraqis feel glad for a U.S. invasion??
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The Patriot Act? C'mon. You have LESS freedom then when Clinton was in office, that's because liberals love freedom, and conservatives (for the most part) hate freedom. I'll give you that you're not a typical conservative, but most can't stand non-Christians, non-whites, and non-heterosexuals, and it's a trend I see no conservative leaders (with the exception of some lip service) bucking.
quote:I don't think the Iraqis would react like that in any way. They didn't suffer a terrible six-year war their dictator had started in a mad conquest for territory and power. I think in their eyes the U.S. are just agressors who want to take over their country and its oil reserves.
Why should the Iraqis feel glad for a U.S. invasion??
Well, in this case, the US is the country which gave weapons to Saddam to keep him in power. The US is the country which did nothing when Saddam bombed and massacred his own citizens with the "weapons of mass destruction" our hypocritical conservative leaders now harp on with the bullshit "for the good of the world" that clearly they don't give a shit about. Even when the US went to war with Iraq, we left Saddam in power, gave Saddam the ability to put down the insurrection in the north of the country (despite our promises for support), and were responsible for an embargo which starved hundreds of thousands of Iraqis for a dozen years.
Yeah, the Iraqi people have a lot to love the United States for. I think, "in this case", that the Iraqi people view the U.S. as a hipocritical nation which will install a new dictator in Hussein's place if elections aren't likely to favor the west.
quote:I don't think the Iraqis would react like that in any way. They didn't suffer a terrible six-year war their dictator had started in a mad conquest for territory and power.
That's exactly what the Iran-Iraq war was... except it was a 10 year war.
quote:Well, in this case, the US is the country which gave weapons to Saddam to keep him in power. The US is the country which did nothing when Saddam bombed and massacred his own citizens with the "weapons of mass destruction" our hypocritical conservative leaders now harp on with the bullshit "for the good of the world" that clearly they don't give a shit about. Even when the US went to war with Iraq, we left Saddam in power, gave Saddam the ability to put down the insurrection in the north of the country (despite our promises for support), and were responsible for an embargo which starved hundreds of thousands of Iraqis for a dozen years.
Hey Snay, are you ever going to mention the other dozen or so countries which sold/gave arms to Iraq? Or are you going to keep up this charade?
I mean, there's very little equipment now in the Iraqi military which could be considered US material. The vast majority of it is Russian or French.
Are you going to list the countries which DID do something when Saddam was massacring his own people?
Are you going to name the countries who asked the US to leave Hussein in power? (Here's a hint: one speaks French, one speaks French and English, and the last is the country we were launching most of the attacks from)
And are you going to mention that there was more than enough money flowing into Iraq under the oil-for-food / medicine program to take care of the Iraqis, only it got diverted into Saddam's palace-building program (and who knows what else).
You're too smart to resort to such blatant misrepresentation of the facts.
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quote:So, you just point at the place on the map you are going to go to tomorrow and say " Tomorrow we are going here."
And the little hidden camera anybody can buy on the internet sees you.
quote:Or maybe you know what a computer is, I'm going to assume that to as you post on here. Then you just send a file to each other(you know what a file is, eh) and it has the iterary on it for the next week. You can have one guy planning and send the file to each other through a closed network.
And this closed network is set up and monitored by who? (I'll admit I don't know too much about this part, but I assume that the information gets from one computer to another via SOME kind of linkage device. Which can be made impossible to intercept how?)
quote:And lastly you don't think that the inspection team has it's own secure communications? You really got to get out of that AV room once and a while. The world is changing while you are stuck in there.
Frankly, I don't think there is such a thing as "secure" communications. Someone would have to explain to me an "unbreakable" communications system.
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"So, you just point at the place on the map you are going to go to tomorrow and say ' Tomorrow we are going here.'"
"And the little hidden camera anybody can buy on the internet sees you."
So you get a flashlight, throw a blanket over your heads, and write down what you want to say to each other. If you aren't speaking, and you aren't visible to the cameras, you can't be bugged. Sure, you'd look silly, but it would work.
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quote:but I assume that the information gets from one computer to another via SOME kind of linkage device.
Yes it is called cat5, networking wire. You have it 3 feet long and you plug the computers together and transfer files to each other.
quote:Frankly, I don't think there is such a thing as "secure" communications. Someone would have to explain to me an "unbreakable" communications system.
Of course nothing is completely secure, I think you are just caught and trying to confuse the issue, but it can be made hard enough to crack and random enough that they could get info back and forth. Have you never used online banking or bought anything from ebay or such. This is using 128 bit encoding, very hard to crack. I am sure if this is the main consumer encoding method then they could come up with something better than that. As for camera spying on them. jeez there are a lot of methods to counteract that, you are just not thinking or as I said before, caught and trying not admit you never thought your initial statements through. I will not try to teach you anymore security methods, next time, late at night in the AV room try watching a James Bond movie, instead of animal porn.
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quote:quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- a James Bond movie --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Surely the most accurate depiction of international espionage available.
Closer to reality then FOT seems to be.
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