quote:President Jacques Chirac's warning to the new Europeans of EU and NATO enlargement that they cannot side too much with America and fit his definition of membership in the family of Europe has exposed, with an outburst of pure rage, a profound, long-term contradiction that could tear the EU apart from within.
quote:The violence of the remarks acknowledged openly for the first time one of the basic reasons that Iraq has become such an existential issue for France, and in its manner, Germany. . Confronting the United States, and marking out a line where European-Atlantic coalescence must stop, involves an attempt to re-establish their leadership in a Europe whose institutional future points toward the French and Germans being submerged by a new wave of entrants refusing to define Europe's raison d'�tre in a foreign and security policy automatically opposed to the United States.
Naturally.
quote:With a paucity of finesse that would have rivaled Donald Rumsfeld, Chirac told the new Europeans their positions were "dangerous" and "reckless." Indeed, he said, they "would have done better to shut up" than sign on to letters, one involving eight countries organized by Britain, and the other taking in the Vilnius Group of 10 EU and NATO candidate countries, that supported the position on Iraq of the United States. . And Chirac threatened. He said it would take the vote of only one current EU member in a national referendum to block the entire enlargement process. As for Romania and Bulgaria - perhaps singled out as ingrates because they are grant-supported members of the French-funded organization of nations nurturing the French language - Chirac said, "If they had tried to decrease their chances for getting in Europe, they couldn't have done a better job."
And people are getting on the US's case for supposed threatened economic sanctions. For shame.
quote:Rather than applause, Reuters reported from Brussels, there were "seething" reactions, particularly within the European Parliament, to Chirac's tirade. The intensity of the confrontation and the willingness of the East Europeans to make references to appeasement while continuing to state their affinity for the American position on Iraq, especially after France and Germany had brought Russia along to join their challenge to the United States, has clearly gone beyond what France had calculated.
quote:Commenting on the different attitudes in Europe after the massive anti-war marches over the weekend, she said of Latvia's post-World War II occupation by the Soviet Union, "We certainly have seen the results of appeasement. It's much easier to tolerate a dictator when he's dictating over somebody else's life and not your own."
quote:Another Pole, Radek Sikorski, a political scientist working in Washington, was quoted by Reuters as taking the issues directly to the French and Germans. "France and Germany can no longer control the continent," he said. "America has too many friends in Europe who realize that America and Europe are one civilization."
quote:If it is only venting frustration at the cold prospect of France's diminished influence in Europe, not incompatible with the French president's personality, it is all the same a gesture that has brought Europe's future new pain and dizzying uncertainty.
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Oh, come on, who cares what the frogs say anyway?
They see the EU as existing soley to serve them and specifically to subsidise their crappy farmers. The threat that the Axis may not be able to control the EU any longer is scaring them. rather amusing really.
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quote:Originally posted by E. Cartman: Bush already owns (HA! HA! HA!) one European lapdog, we don't need another.
Apparently, we have a whole LOT of lapdogs, if the actions of the Vilnius 10 and the vast majority of NATO are any indication.
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I'll preface this by saying that I heard it on Rush Limbaugh's show.
According to Rush, information will be released that prove the French president had made a deal with Iraq, when he was still mayor of Paris, to sell Iraq weapons grade Plutonium. It sounded like the deal was made with presidential approval.
How about it Firstoftwo, did you hear any of that?
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No, haven't heard that anywhere... but it wouldn't surprise me. The French DID build Iraq's original nuclear reactor, after all.
I have heard it suggested that it may come out France, Germany, and Russia are out to prevent a war with Iraq because they have been promised sweet deals by the Saudis, who are scared spitless about having a non-OPEC countries in charge of the 2nd largest oil reserves, thereby damaging their economic stranglehold and reducing the need for the world to play nice with their government while it is coddling Islamic extremists.
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Sweet deals? Oil prices have gone in one direction the past year: UP.
If the Saudis are worried about their waning popularity, that only goes to show the double standard WE cultivate to get their oil.
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"The French DID build Iraq's original nuclear reactor, after all."
Back around the time when Iraq were our buddies. And Israel, whom we still inexplicably support, mounted an unprovoked invasion of Iraq to bomb said reactor.
"Sweet deals? Oil prices have gone in one direction the past year: UP."
And you think that will still be true after the invasion, when the US has unfettered access to all the free oil it can suck out of the Iraqi desert?
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The United States, yes. But unless Bush performs an uncharacteristic act of solidarity and freely shares access to Iraq's reserves, Europe's ever-growing dependance on oil from other OPECs (Saudi Arabia first and foremost), nations which will feel threatened by the presence of a *second* non-Islamic power in their midst, isn't going to change one iota. Ergo: higher prices for the European market.
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I don't think he'll give free access, but I'm sure he'll be willing to sell it for less than the Saudis. He'd probably start drooling if someone mentioned "oil monopoly" around him...
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He probably starts drooling whenever anyone mentions crackers and cheese in the same sentence.
America in control of Iraq's oil = Violation of economic sovereignty. If you're really serious about liberating Iraq you'd have to back off once Saddam is gone, allow for UN organised elections and ensure that Iraq has their economic, political and other sovereignties intact. Your credibility (which isn't exactly stellar) depends on it.
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quote: He probably starts drooling whenever anyone mentions crackers and cheese in the same sentence.
And shaking in fear whenever anyone mentions pretzels.
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