quote:If you're really serious about liberating Iraq you'd have to back off once Saddam is gone, allow for UN organised elections and ensure that Iraq has their economic, political and other sovereignties intact. Your credibility (which isn't exactly stellar) depends on it.
Nah, I'd rather go with something that actually worked the last time it was done, like occupation and acclimatization, re: PostWWII Japan.
We backed off the LAST time we "achieved the objective" (getting Iraq out of Kuwait) and look what it's gotten us.
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Y'know...why must it always be US to blow the shit out of brown people. Can't someone ELSE do it this time? What about the Russians? Or the Aussies? Maybe the Chinese. The British governemnt seems rather eager to wave their pricks around...why don't we just sit down in the easy chair like Grandpa after Thanksgiving dinner, loosen our belts, & say, "That's OK, kids..you go on & play. Pappy's gonna sit this one out."
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Y'know...why must it always be US to blow the shit out of brown people. Can't someone ELSE do it this time?
You mean like the USSR in Afganistan? Or Israel and all its neighbors? Or your "brown people" blowing the shit out of each other, ala Iran/Iraq? Because it's ALL about race, you know...
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quote:Y'know...why must it always be US to blow the shit out of brown people. Can't someone ELSE do it this time? What about the Russians? Or the Aussies? Maybe the Chinese. The British governemnt seems rather eager to wave their pricks around...why don't we just sit down in the easy chair like Grandpa after Thanksgiving dinner, loosen our belts, & say, "That's OK, kids..you go on & play. Pappy's gonna sit this one out."
Cause then the US doesn't get to steal the oil.
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quote:Y'know...why must it always be US to blow the shit out of brown people. Can't someone ELSE do it this time? What about the Russians? Or the Aussies? Maybe the Chinese. The British governemnt seems rather eager to wave their pricks around...why don't we just sit down in the easy chair like Grandpa after Thanksgiving dinner, loosen our belts, & say, "That's OK, kids..you go on & play. Pappy's gonna sit this one out."
Cause then the US doesn't get to steal the oil.
It'd be easier to invade Mexico.
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Easier, maybe. But there would be far more international uproar. And afterall, we want to convince all the little people that we are in the right, now don't we.
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I think the French should definitely be involved in an invasion of Iraq. They can show the Iraqis how to surrender ...
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They'd have done better if they'd fought like hell BEFORE the war.
Churchill, c. early 1930's: "HELLO! He's rebuilding his army, navy, air force... he's going to reoccupy the Rhineland next! Are you all asleep down there? Do something before he gets any more powerful! At least prepare!
It was bad judgement, not surrender, which did the French in.
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You would call pacifism and appeasement, which were the two greatest consequences of Europe having been ripped apart by the bloodiest war in human history, bad judgement?
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Only when you take reality into account. Pacifism, like communism, only works if it's universal.
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quote:Originally posted by Cartmaniac: You would call pacifism and appeasement, which were the two greatest consequences of Europe having been ripped apart by the bloodiest war in human history, bad judgement?
Actually the french demands on Germany in the Treaty of Versais is what planted the seed of resent in Germany and let little pricks like hitler to gain power. France's demands for unrealistic war reperations destroyed Germany's econemy and really rubbed their nose in defeat. Many germans were up for WWII just to payback the allies for the treaty. France was hardly pacifist: Their goofy majaneal(sp?) line.
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