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And as for my criticizing Bush, my statement was not intended to convey that. I simply wished to cover the possibility that he was not as he seemed to be. And I never said Bush was a statesman, simply that he was as close as I'd seen in a while. I won't be happy with a government until I'm running it, and Bush is no exception.
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feeling a touch mislead???? and you are misleading youself, Kaiser Omega....
Yes, that is an odd statement, but considering the source.... I shrug here....
How does one truly battle an idealism that has nothing but the complete and utter destruction of your way of life as it's goal???? You can't combat them, it gains enemies.... You can't give them aide, it gains enemies.... You can't ignore them, it gains enemies.... You can't reason with them, they are beyond that....
You are simply fucked and must do something, so you try all but the ignore part.... and it gain enemies....
Either by throwing you military or economic might around you are a bully or an arrogant fuck-wit...
We can not win, so we must kill you all.....
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How you battle it? You eliminate the socio-economic conditions that are a feeding ground for extremism.
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Which involves gobs of money well-spent. I think it would be terribly ironic if we actually had the stones to start building good schools all over Iraq and Afghanistan, thus preventing ignorance from being able to take root quite so easily. Ironic because we've been needing gobs of money for our schools for decades. *sigh*
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Money isn't a cure. If it was, then there shouldn't be any welfare recipients left in America. Unfortunately, the "system" only produces further generations of "needy".
What is needed is FORGIVENESS. AND, it needs to be TAUGHT from day one. Then Personal Responsibility 101. What happened to you might be somebody else's fault, but what YOU DO from there isn't.
Everyone has a tragedy in life. Everyone has had crap happen. But, it is very few that get back up and determine that it will not defeat them.
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"How does one truly battle an idealism that has nothing but the complete and utter destruction of your way of life as it's goal????"
You stop doing the shit that's pissing them off.
But, in our case, we just kept doing it with renewed vigor. And yet we still can't figure out why they hate us. Hm...
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I didn't say start throwing money at people. That doesn't work. I said start throwing money at educating people. Teaching them to think for themselves. Gives less opening for other people to think for them.
I don't have much respect for any religion that requires ignorance in order to thrive. Anything that doesn't welcome rational scrutiny is to be treated as suspect, in my opinion. One of the reasons I'm glad I was raised Episcopalian. They welcome free enquiry, examination of doctrine, questioning of beliefs... I think I came out of all that (with help from my parents' scientific-mindedness in the first place) with a pretty strong personality and moral compass.
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You stop doing the shit that's pissing them off.
Like... breathing?
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Okay, does that include aide to help out those that need it????
It isn't that we are over there that has them pissed off TSN, it is the fact that we exist and are not conforming to there way of life and their beliefs.... No options, we are to convert or die, not stay home or die....
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"It isn't that we are over there that has them pissed off TSN, it is the fact that we exist and are not conforming to there way of life and their beliefs.... No options, we are to convert or die, not stay home or die...."
If this were true, they'd be attacking every country that isn't Muslim. When was the last time you heard of al-Qaeda (or whoever) flying a plane into, say, Big Ben, or the Brandenburg Gate, or the Kremlin? It's the US they call "the Great Satan", not the entire non-Muslim world.
Now, granted, you're always going to have a few nujobs who will want to blow people up no matter what. But, if the US had never interfered with anything in the Mid-East, the WTC/Pentagon attacks, for one, never would have occured.
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And the fact is, it's going to take a LOOOOOOONG time before the situation gets tangibly better. And I don't just mean better as in "We blew up a terrorist cell", but better as in "We've eliminated a lot of the conditions that have caused people to want to become terrorists".
Look at the Ireland situation. How long has that been going on for? And that's a place that's far smaller, filled with people who are, apparently, closer to our mindset than those in the middle east. You can't expect to get the middle east to stop hating you tomorrow. You can't expect them to stop hating you for at least a decade, and unfortunatly (or not), that's way past election time.
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