WizArtist II
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In case anyone has forgotten, Israel sent a strike force of F-16's with a CAP of F-15's into Iraq back in the early 80's to destroy a nuclear facility. Had they not, we could very well have had to deal with a Nuclear Iraq. Not to mention the decade of war between Iraq & Iran. The Iranis sent waves of humans against an outnumbered Iraqi army and got chem'ed for their troubles. The Middle Beast will never have peace. It simply is not their way. Americans need to get it out of their head that everyone wants freedom and believes in playing fair. Centuries of factionalism isn't going to be erased by a handshake and some grand epiphany on a couple of leaders parts. I mean, look at European soccer and all the hooligans and fights started over a FREAKING SPORT! How can we expect other cultures to behave differently when it comes to the basis of their religion?
As for the French....well....it would've been better to have let the Germans keep them.
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quote:Originally posted by Sol System: I think you're missing something crucial here, re who is Arab and who is Iranian, and how that line has been historically demarcated with impressive bouts of violence.
So I find your whole analysis a little suspect.
You'd think so, but it seems Hating The West makes for strange bedfellows these days- with the exception of Egypt, there is vocal arab support for Iran getting their (ahem) "peaceful" nuclear capability. Mabye it's because of all the Israel bashing Iran is doing lately, or just the general perception of the US telling arabs how to live, I cant say.
Two intresting reads- one is a news ]blog from last year that points out Iran's President is not really running the show.
quote:Former Iranian President Hashemi Rafsanjani - a powerful figure in the country's clerical regime - warned in an interview with the Kuwaiti newspaper Al-Rai Al-Aam that pressuring Iran over enrichment "might not have good consequences for the area and the world."
Later he says:
quote:"There is no worry as we will not threaten anyone,"
Except mabye, you know..."the area and the world."
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Da_bang80
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quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: As though "Persia" has existed in any real context in...forever.
I didn't know a hundred years was classified as "Forever"
To Fawndoo - You have a point, but to be realistic, most peoples opinions are made on erroneous (Cool word of the day) facts. They don't have the whole picture. So thier opinions really don't matter. (Except you guys) Especially if it doesn't directly involve them.
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Well, a hundred year absence means that no one alive today was ever at war with or oppressed by the Persians. They were gone long before "modern" stuff like airplanes, tanks, nuclear weapons and the UN inspections were a factor, so "forever" applies here.
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Shik
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Ottoman?Persian.
Osirak was a good'un, too. First combat use of an F-16. Also, my vote for favorite Mideast construct has to go to the UAR.
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quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: Well, a hundred year absence means that no one alive today was ever at war with or oppressed by the Persians.
And that means 'Persian oppression/aggression/whatever' won't be invoked as a reason to fight because..?
It's a toss up as to whether traditional Arab/Persian (incidentally, 'Persia' was just the Western name for it, it's always been called Iran by the natives) antagonisms or newly radical Islamic nationalism wins through in this scenario.
As to the French; the law actually wasn't that bad, by the standards of most other western nations. But for the French economic liberalism=the evil Anglos, and they still haven't gotten over the Seven Years War, let alone the whole revolution/Bonaparte thing.
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quote:On March 21, 1935 Reza Shah Pahlavi issued a decree asking foreign delegates to use the term Iran in formal correspondence. After Persian scholars protested, Mohammad Reza Shah in 1959 announced that both Persia and Iran could be used interchangeably.
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Hmmm...I wonder if the current batch o' clerics would allow that. Probably not- these are the screwballs that banned all western music (including classical now!) to "preserve the Iranian way of life".
We need Zombie Alexander The Great to lead our armies! though he'd be none to happy at the state Greece is in...
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Da_bang80
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Oh, Like we need a homosexual zombie running around. While we're at it, let's bring back Tchaikovsky...
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No! The Ottoman Empire decayed into what is now Turkey (the final blow being WWI). The Ottoman Empire actually fought several wars with Persia.
The people in Iran are almost all shiite, and mostly ethnic Persian. There are some ethnic Arabs in the south-west, but these do not have power. Most Arabs are Sunni, who do not get along well with shiites. Thus, Iran will NOT become "leader of the Arab world". They might get support in some areas, but that is very different then getting leadership. Pakistan (nuclear armed) is different ethnically from Arabs and is sunni, so since they don't have leadership, I don't see how Iran could get it...
Shik
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Yes, I know. That wasn't supposed to be a question mark, but rather a "does not equal" sign. Apparently Flare does not like certain Mac keystrokes.
My point was that 100 years ago, that area was mostly under Ottoman rule.
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quote:Originally posted by Da_bang80: Oh, Like we need a homosexual zombie running around. While we're at it, let's bring back Tchaikovsky...
Phhht. Nothing from the era anywhere says he was or was not a homosexual.
He died with no heir and his dickweed relatives (likely) started all that nonsense as they both slandered him in every way they could while ripping his empire to pieces for their own petty desires.
Not that is should matter...
Read Arrian's Campaigns of Alexander (the closest written accounts of his life and campaigns- still almost 400 years after the fact though) sometime and skip the Hollywood version of history.
In time, people will probably speculate that Jesus was gay for the same reasons....mmmmm....time to start a rumor...
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Da_bang80
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"In time, people will probably speculate that Jesus was gay for the same reasons....mmmmm....time to start a rumor..."
Well. We all know he loves Pornstars.
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Shik
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After mishearing a line in whatever was playing at the local videophonic rentery establishment, I have decided to start a religion based around the teachings of Cheezit Christ.
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