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Actually there were a lot of people in 1939 that didn't support the America going to Europe to fight Hilter (and we didn't) and the US tried to stay out of this European mess, which WWI was and they assumed WWII would have been. However from 1939 to 1941 public opinion slowly changed until there was quite a bit of support for going to war with Germany, however until December 7, 1941 there still wasn't enough that FDR could feel comformable enough to declare War. After Pearl Harbor, almost all resistance to going to War ceisted virtually overnight and even people who strongly opposed going to war sided in declaring war with Japan (btw Germany declared war on us, we didn't declare war on Germany)[only 1 person voted against going to war with Japan]. Pearl Harbor changed it from a war over there to a war right here.
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I don't think we will have to worry about Pat being elected. He's so sure of himself, that he thinks he can say anything, but people are listening.
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Pat's a fathead who wouldn't know history if it fell on his head.
------------------ I took in a movie. An appalling little piece of filth. Its leading lady was a blonde harlot who spent half the film strolling around naked as a jaybird! No, just give the Great Unwashed a pair of oversized breasts and a happy ending, and they'll oink for more every time. ~C. Mongomery Burns
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We don't have to worry about Buchanan because he's too radical...
I think the only person who can stand up to Bush's popularity is Bradley, who seems to be quite a different politician than we're used to...
I'm gonna watch Bradley very carefully over the next few months...
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Scratch that...I've just finished the article, and I think that Buchanan is more than a radical...he's f***ing nut case. My lord, if people believe in his warped sense of history, we would go straight down the tubes.
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You know, this entire discussion is based on a false premise. Buchanan never said that we should have stayed out of Europe. He simply raised the question of whether the millions that died under Stalin's rule would have died if Hitler had been allowed to defeat Russia. The article is wrong. It's similar to that Regan biography calling Regan an "airhead", when what he actually said was "apparent airhead", but that he changed his mind when he got to know Regan.
I'm not worried about Buchanan being elected. Of course he can't win. I'm worried about him screwing up a close race between Bush and Bradley, and getting Bradley elected, like Perot did in '92. Then there would be a good chance that liberals would gain the House of Representatives. I don't think the country can afford that. Especially since the next president will be appointing FOUR Supreme Court Justices. If those justices are conservative, they can kick out all these laws and programs we have that violate the tenth ammendment, whereas if we end up with liberal justices, we'll be stuck with them for the next fourty years or so.
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Pat's single best function is to piss-off the Press, an assignment that he alone has the nerve to take and for which I congratulate him on a job well done...
...but if he does a Ross Perot impression and the election goes to Algore, I'll be at the head of the angry "Get Pat" lynch mob.
local talkradio host was scheduled a few days ago to have Pat Buchanan on for a live phone interview, but both Pat's people and the host cancelled the gig when Pat's people learned the host---a hardcore conservative--- totally disagreed with PB's take on a little thing called World War Two.
There then followed two hours of pro-Pat and anti-host calls. Are all these people really Buchanan Brigades, or are some of them Democrats who want Pat to take votes away from GW Bush?
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As one of them thar "liberals" I can only hope that the infighting between all the fascist Republicans works to the advantage of humanity and they all go down in flames.
------------------ I took in a movie. An appalling little piece of filth. Its leading lady was a blonde harlot who spent half the film strolling around naked as a jaybird! No, just give the Great Unwashed a pair of oversized breasts and a happy ending, and they'll oink for more every time. ~C. Mongomery Burns
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Buchanan doesn't seem like a nut to me. He's done some questionable things, though, like jumping the Republican party and trying to commondere the Reform party, with whom he has even MORE disagreements than the Republicans (pro-life stance, mainly). He's also abandoned one of the basic tennants of conservatism: SMALLER GOVERNMENT! The government has no business passing half the laws it passes, and a good number of its departments should not exist. This stupid health care plan that would FORCE you to get health care for your children violates the tenth ammendment. If the constitution doesn't say that the national government can do a thing, then the national government can NOT do that thing without passing an ammendment.
Xentrik:
Rush Limbaugh has been theorizing the same thing when the Buchanan Brigadeers call his show. Of course, I presume you already knew that by the way you spelled Algore. You don't actually think that he'll get the Democratic nomination, do you? Gore has the charisma of a stump. Too bad he's coming here to Nashville. No, it's gonna be the three B's: Bradley, Buchanan, and Bush.
Jay:
Tell me: you're a liberal, right? Does that mean that you would be in favor of more powerful health care systems and social security and welfare et al.? If so, doesn't that seem to you like such programs would just be making people more and more dependant on the national government, which, taken to it's logical conclusion, would be socialism? I remind you that socialism failed miserably in the defunct U.S.S.R.
(Before I begin this tirade, I presume you're talking about the system of government in which the government takes over businesses. If not, my apologies in advance.)
Fascists!? Conservatives are Fascists!? Ha! We're not the ones who placed restrictions on who businesses can hire or not hire, or who universities can and can not admit! True conservatism is getting the government OUT of our lives and businesses, whereas liberalism generally favors BIGGER government with MORE power and MORE taxes to fund it! So tell me, who's really Fascist?
------------------ For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong. - H. L. Mencken
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I hadn't planned on getting involved in this discussion, rather than engaging in a little light Buchanan bashing fun...maybe a few Perot jokes. Still, I'm a stubborn fool, so why not poke my nose in?
So what part of the Buchanan=total raving nutcase doesn't hold true for you? Sure, I disagree with...well, everything to ever come out of his mouth. But he's also simply wrong about some stuff.
"In his book, Buchanan says that Hitler offered �no physical threat to the US� as of late 1940, after his defeat in the Battle of Britain. Buchanan questions whether Hitler sought war with the West or was driven to it. �Hitler made no overt move to threaten US vital interests� after his initial victories across Europe, Buchanan writes. Americans had no choice but to fight once Hitler declared war on the US, but Hitler was primarily interested in building an empire to the East, not westward..." From the New York Times.
So, uh, I take it Mr. Buchanan isn't familiar with the German program to develop long-range bombers capable of striking targets all along the Eastern Seaboard? Or does he seriously believe that old Adolf was just a misunderstood ally of anticommunists everywhere? Heck, that whole invasion of free nations throughout Europe was just a fluke? Perhaps his real order had been "enjoy European democracy" and his generals simply misunderstood it to be "destroy European democracies". Yeah, I can buy that.
"Buchanan said America needs leaders who will �halt illegal immigration cold at our borders even if we have to have troops. We need to repair, rebuild and restore the melting pot.�" From the Associate Press.
Rebuild the melting pot...just get rid of all the ingredients, and make sure none of the dirty foriegn influence gets in. Lovely picture of America.
I'm going to use some strong language here, but only because I feel strongly about this.
Buchanan is a closet fascist and a borderline anti-semite (Though such noted conservative high-ups as William F. Buckley go so far as to say that he is well over the border, with a documented hatred of Jews and other minorities.)
His vision of the United States boils down to an extremist right-wing Christian theocracy, with freedom for white males. I am personally convinced that if Pat were to ever gain the presidency he would not stop until he had declared himself president for life.
Suffice it to say, the day Buchanan is elected President is the day I get as far away from North America as possible. I simply won't be welcome in a post-Buchanan society.
I could go on, of course. Mention how he routinely hires staff members who have ties to such groups as the Klan and Christian Identity. Or how he has long been a proponent of Holocaust revisionism. Or how his friend and campaign supporter Saumuel Francis is on the record as calling for a "white reconquest of the United States". Blah blah blah, company you keep, etc.
------------------ I do indeed and shall continue Dispatch the shiftless man to points beyond -- Soul Coughing
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