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It's prophetic literature! It was a vision.
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How would one go about become a soldier of heaven? Like the 'Redeemer' from 'Spawn'.
I think that would kick butt, it's the only thing cooler than being a SEAL.
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So if Revelations is prophetic, wouldn't that make it the SECOND War in heaven? Given that we're to understand that the big red S got cast out during the first war...
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"It was a vision." Prophetic biblical literature includes past events.
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First, you might want to get a refund for that speed-reading class... I said God WINS the war, not God WON the war. Of course the enemy still runs rampant over the earth. But Revelation predicts that the enemy and his army will be defeated forever at some point in the future.
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"...and there was war in heaven..." The Bible, Revelation 12:7
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.. and then let go again, after a thousand years, and then beat once more.
Sounds like two kids playing 'gotcha-no you didn't!'
What a pitiful waste.
1. God Creates Satan. 2. Satan goes bad. 3. God defeats Satan, casts him to Hell. 4. God gives Satan essentially free reign over Earth, with little or no visible interference. (Heavenly parole?) 5. God defeats Satan, casts him to lake of fire. 6. 1000 years later, God releases Satan (AGAIN??) 7. Satan, like 80% of those imprisoned, goes back to his old tricks again. 8. God finally wises up and slags Satan for good.
That sound about right?
Me, I'd have skipped steps 3-7, for the good of My creation's inhabitants. (unles you're saying that Satan serves some useful purpose... in which case he can't be God's enemy...)
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Listen to the song "Asshole" by Dennis Leary. It basically sums it all up. Where do I find it you ask? Well, go to www.napster.com download that 250 kb proggie then install. Once installed run a search for asshole, download it and learn .
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First off, let me say how amazed I am to find so many people here who are this versed when it comes to the Bible. I've been going door to door for 4 years now and rarely see as many opportunities for a good conversation as I do here.
First of Two: Regarding # 3. The prophesy in the book of Isiah points to the year 1914 as the year when "The War in Heaven" took place. This is also the war that is talked about in the Revelation to John. However, it says that Satan was cast "to the vicinity of the Earth" which explains why things have been so bad during the 20th century.
As for your thought about skipping the part where Satan is allowed to do his thing, it makes sense in that it would have prevented Human suffering, but consider this: When Satan succeeded in turning Adam and Eve away from God's commandment he raised two questions. 1) Does God have the right to rule and 2)Are Humans better off doing things their own way?
If God had destroyed Satan right then and started over with the Human race, those questions would never be answered.
To actually touch on the question in the topic, I too believe that the 10 Commandments given to the Israelites can not be (seriously) ammended just to appease a society that changes its mind about moral codes every few years. Also, since (as it's been brought out before) the new covenant Christ instituted was the fulfillment of not only the 10 Commandments but the entire Hebrew Law, no one on Earth today is held to it.
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Door to door?? Are you one of those people I hit with whipped cream last week??
Hm. You raise a point, but who said those questions needed to be asked, or answered, in the first place? And are the questions specific enough?
It really leads back to a lot of other unanswered questions:
Do Angels have free will? What IS the best qualification for ruling? How can an infallible being NOT be suited to rule? Why, exactly, did LuciSatan think he was better qualified for the Job? "Pride" seems insufficient as a reason. Pride in what? It seems unlikely that a being as superior (in power and intellect) as Lucifer was would have not been able to recognize a superior power, regardless of pride.
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Hell is supposedly eternal damnation, correct? And if you sin, and don't repent or whatnot, you get stuck there, correct? And Satan is evil, correct?
So, if you sin, and are evil, you'll go to Hell, where Satan, another bad guy resides. Wouldn't he reward you for being evil instead of punishing you to eternal damnation?
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He's punishing you for not being evil enough.
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Satan was unleashed in 1914? Is this a confirmation of the Rolling Stones song? And if Satan was chained up from 914 to 1914, does that mean that he gets off from all those wars inbetween, then? Black Plague, not his fault? Franco-Prussian War=Man's (or God's) work, WWI=Satan's? Or did he just happen to be in Sarajevo one morning and go "Hey, that foppish dandy in the car stole my stylish hat design! Well, I'll show him."? And is Satan responsible for the fact that more people now enjoy more freedom then ever before?
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I don't know what is going on here, but nothing I have read here makes sense. I'll have to get back on this later. As for Isaiah, it is almost impossible to nail down exact dates for anything in the Bible. The book of Daniel one exception.
Revelations uses very metaphorical language and the 1,000 years (I think) is a part of this. 1,000, 1, 10 ect. usually means perfection so I think it has something to do with a perfect amount of time. By the way, John wrote it metaphorically so that the book could pass by the Romans unsuspectingly. If your curious, replace the word "Babylon" with "Rome" and some parts of the book make more sense.
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