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Diane
aka Tora Ziyal
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This is something I've recently come to believe in. I'll be back later to go into depth on this, but why don't you state your opinion on this in the mean time?

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"One more day before the storm
At the barricades of freedom!
When our ranks begin to form
Will you take your place with me?"
--Enjolras, "One Day More," Les Miserables


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Fabrux
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Wow. A Catholic believing in reincarnation. Never thought I'd see that....

(No offense, Ziyal. I'm a Catholic myself)

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Saltah'na
Chinese Canadian, or 75% Commie Bastard.
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Five Words: There is no such thing.

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Aethelwer
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I haven't believed in reincarnation since I was a farmer living in Armenia in 1912.

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Omega
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Reincarnation? *L* Not in THIS lifetime.

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PsyLiam
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Personally, I'm not sure. I do believe in heaven, usually. But then when I think about it to long I come to the conclusion that heaven is probably very, very, very, very boring.

Tsk, eh?

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Michael Dracon
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I know it's there. I've seen myself in at least 5 past lifes dating back to the middle ages. The last one I know the most of. I was a female figure iceskater who died being trapped in a house that was on fire . I've been through that death scene about a dozen times over, until I got help from a mother of a friend.

Two of my other friends have seen their past lifes as well, both had about 6 that they remember.

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First of Two
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"You die. Then the worms come." -- Me.

In all seriousness...
I believe I will give the same answer as the many generations of computer in Asimov's famous story, "The Last Question." It's the only answer that any human using only observational and deductive reasoning can give:

"There is insufficient data to form a meaningful conclusion."

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Baloo
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I tend to agree with the computer, as far as objective evidence goes.

[Inexpert opinion follows:]

And the Biblical heaven is supposed to be an almost indescribably good place to be. One theory is that for every activity on earth that feels good, there is a heavenly analogue without unpleasant side effects.

Some facetious (but possible) examples:
Golf, f'rinstance, just might be a contact sport. Sugar, fat, and salt will all be good for you. Although there will be no marriage in heaven, marriage is supposed to be a 3-dimensional, physical representation of God's relationship with humans. Therefore, there is something better than sex, at least in the afterlife.

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~~Baloo

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Shik
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I don't believe in past lives. I believe in concurrent lives.

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Sol System
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Somedays I wonder about this life.

Mark Twain wrote an excellent story about the afterlife called "Extract From Captain Stormfield's Visit To Heaven".

I recommend it to everyone.

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bryce
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It's not Biblical, at least my Holy Bible. And I don't know what the Christian answer is for those people who claim to have been reincarnated.

Heaven and Hell, yes, I believe in those very much.
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Saltah'na
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Reincarnation is not limited to the Christian Religion. Hindu and Buddhist religions have a strong emphasis in reincarnation. I also believe that the Jewish religion has something about reincarnation in its teachings, but I'm not so sure.

In the Hindu Religion, who you become reincarnated as depends on your past life. In my World religions Class, mention was made of a rich man who was so mean and evil to everyone that when he died, he was reincarnated as a Chili Pepper!!!

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Diane
aka Tora Ziyal
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Fabrux: I'm as Catholic as I am Protestant, which is to say, I'm not. I went to a Catholic high school.

My belief in reincarnation has nothing to do with religion.

So what happened was, I picked up the book What Dreams May Come by Richard Matheson while strolling down the "M" asle in my local library (because I had seen the movie and liked it a lot). What I basically got was an exploration of the afterlife in fiction form based on the author's research, so that got me interested on this topic. Then I came across three books by psychiatrist Dr. Brian Weiss, who first came to believe in(or rather, "proved," as well as he can) reincarnation when one patient, during hypnosis, went back to many different past lives for the source of her phobias. I said "proved" because his patient during hypnosis said things that she couldn't possibly have known, such as how to make butter from scratch, some very philosophical explanations of the afterlife, and something about the doctor's dead first child whose existence was known only to himself, his wife, and his doctor. His first book is a detailed account of how he came to believe in reincarnation while treating this one patient. The second book has many more cases of how chronic pains and phobias were cured after finding their roots in past lives, as well as a script for "relaxation and regression tape" that helps you to remember past lives (which I intend to try). The third one is an account of how he discovered that two of his patients who never met each other were soul mates through their corresponding past lives.

Reincarnation, as some wise people on "the other end" explained to Dr. Weiss through his patients, allows souls to learn lessons about human relationship--that is basically it. The purpose of each life is to learn a lesson: for example, to trust others, not to let anger or fear gain control, etc. The most important thing about human relationships is Love; love connects souls across lifetimes. I think the belief is that all souls reincarnate into humans, for there's no mention of otherwise. This is also why it is wrong to end our own lives or lives of others, because they need to live their lives to the end to learn their lessons. There IS something similar to karma, though. One interesting note: the same people told the doctor that abortion or miscarriage involves a consent (I assume it's unspoken) between the mother and the soul of the child, and the soul can come in and out of the fetus's body at will until birth or just after birth, at which time it enters permanently. Sometimes a soul that is supposed to enter an aborted fetus might enter the body of the couple's next child.

Judaism and Christianity--
Doctor Weiss (I think he wrote that he's Jewish but I'm not sure because he didn't particularly emphasize it) said he couldn't believe how Judaism and Christianity wrote nothing about reincarnation for thousands of years of their existence, so he did some research. I'm just going to quote him.

In Judaism, a fundamental belief in reincarnation, or gilgul, has existed for thousands of years. This belief had been a basic cornerstone of the Jewish faith until approximately 1800-1850, when the urge to "modernize" and to be accepted by the more scientific Western establishment transformed the Eastern European Jewish communitites...In the Orthodox and Chasidic communities, belief in reincarnation continues unabated today. The Kabbala, mystical Jewish literature dating back thousands of years, is filled with references to reincarnation...

When I researched the history of Christianity, I discovered that early references to reincarnation in the New Testament had been deleted in the fourth century by Emperor Constantine when Christianity became the official religion of the Roman Empire. Apparently, the emperor had felt that the concept of reincarnation was threatening to the stability of the empire. Citizens who believed that they would have another chance to live might be less obedient and law abiding than those who believed in a single Judgment Day for all.

In the sixth century, the Second Council of Constantinople underscored Constantine's act by officially declaring reincarnation a heresy. Like Constantine, the Church was afraid that the idea of prior lives would weaken and undermine its growing power by affording followers too much time to seek salvation. They concurred that the whip of Judgment Day was necessary to ensure the proper attitude and behavior.

During the same Early Christian Era leading up to the Council of Constantinople, other Church fathers like Origen, Clement of Alexandria, and St. Jerome accepted and believed in reincarnation. So did the Gnostics. As late as the twelfth century, the Christian Cathars of Italy and southern France were severely brutalized for their belief in reincarnation.

As I reflected on the new information I had gathered, I realized that aside from their belief in reincarnation, the Cathars, Gnostics, and Kabbalists all had another value in common: that direct personal experience beyond what we see and know with our rational minds or what is taught by a religious structure is a major source of spiritual wisdom. And this direct personal experience powerfully promotes spiritual and personal growth. Unfortunately, since people may be severely punished for unorthodox beliefs, the groups learned to keep them secret. The repression of past life teachings has been political, not spiritual.

The people from the other side also told Dr. Weiss that this "afterlife" is the reality, and Earth is the illusion. They said that Earth WILL be destroyed by human hands, though not in our lifetime (but who's to say we won't come back to experience it?), and that there are many other worlds and many more souls. If that's not a confirmation of intelligent life out there, I don't know what is.

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"One more day before the storm
At the barricades of freedom!
When our ranks begin to form
Will you take your place with me?"
--Enjolras, "One Day More," Les Miserables


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Sol System
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Ziyal, you are near and dear to my heart, but I can't put any faith into these claims. Who is responsible for this vast system of rebirths, and what are these "lessons" we're supposed to get out of it? And how come the vast majority of people can't remember a single one of these? Doesn't that sort of defeat the purpose. The idea of people constantly living, dying, and then having their memories and personalities erased doesn't strike me as being very enlightening. It strikes me as being utterly horrifying.

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But the dead only quickly decay. They don't go about being born and reborn and rising and falling like souffle. The dead only quickly decay.
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Read chapter one of "Dirk Tungsten in...The Disappearing Planet"! For the love of God, Montressor!


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