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On the other hand what could occur is that you spend short periods in the realm of the 'living' to gain new experiences but spend the bulk of your existance in the other realm. Every time you die, your memories and knowledge join with your 'true' spirit in the other place.
I disagree with the above but that may be one explanation.
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Heh...Babylon 5 & the "crossing" of Minbari & Human spirits. Diane Duane's TOS novel "The Wounded Sky," where they set up another universe like a game. ("Harb Tanzer, hallowed be thy name...thy Rec Deck come, thy fun be had...")
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Did a little research into what you said about Judo-Christian reincarnation, and found the following. As you all may know the Bible has been checked for errors since the Dead Sea Scrools were found. The earliest the scrolls were written was 100 BC and the entire community of jewish Essences was destroyed AD 68, two years before the Temple was destroyed in AD 70.
Anything taken out of the Bible by ANYBODY would have been put back in in the last 50 years. Don't go off on me, but I'd have to say you have been lead astray.
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Frankly, it doesn't matter to ME whether Christianity accepts reincarnation or not, I put the information out there for the Christians present. Do with it what you will. As for being "led astray," what you think of me is your problem, not mine. I present the idea in good will, if you can't accept it, that's fine. Life goes on.
Something I read today in some papers by Dr. Elizabeth Kubler-Ross: She talked to many children who had near-death experiences, and while they were on the other side they all saw someone they loved who had died. What's more interesting is that some saw Jesus, some saw Jesus and Mary, but Protestant children never saw Mary because she didn't mean as much to them. And of course Jewish children never saw Jesus at all. This also applies to other religious figures.
That reminds me of another case where one of Dr. Weiss's patients saw a vision of Hell (fire and brimstone type of thing) after his death in one of the past lives. Then the man said Jesus appeared and told him, "Can't you see this is all an illusion?" And the vision of Hell disappeared. This man happens to be the only patient who reported having seen "Hell".
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I'm an atheist, so I think when your body dies, the electrical impulses and chemical reactions in your brain cease to function and your mind (which means you as a thinking entity) simply shuts down. Probably no worse than falling asleep but you don't dream and don't wake up afterward. Might seem pessimistic, but that's generally the kind of thoughts I have.
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Sorry, I thought you would care more because you are Catholic.
I have heard a similar story about Hell and Jesus. The story is the same, but after waking up and realizing it was an illusion the person repents and becomes a Christian.
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Well, she said above that she isn't Catholic.
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On the one hand, I am generally far more accepting of people who are raised one way, and then change their beliefs when they have grown-up. Even if I don't believe it myself, I can accept their POV more, because they formed it, and not thier parents.
Still, reincarnation. Eh. At least most of the people who claim to have seen God are fruit-cakes. You can get perfectly sane people claiming to have been reincarnated. From, say, a female ice-skater. Who burned to death in a fire.
Isn't their some sort of sick irony in that?
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Hey! I was dead serious... (Pun? What's that?)
A few years ago I thought reincarnation was all just a bunch of [insert large mammal]-shit. But then I got this weird flashes like daydreams about that fire. I had no idea what they were, except that they were very different to dreams. I got to talk with the mother of a friend, and a few weeks later I got to see the full death-scene including going out of my previous body. I also saw at least four other lives, including a medieval noblewoman, complete with the pointy hat (like Dax and Kira in 'Way of the Warrior', but with one point, not two). I also was a knight and a man who would fit nicely in a Robin Hood setting.
I used to be a strictly 'seeing is believing' person. And this, and hearing about it from other friends made me believe this for sure (Please, no X-Files jokes!).
I also got see and feel a whole range of other stuff since we did a few sessions. I've seen a whole lot of stuff I never thought possible. I've seen chakra's and the famous lotus. I've seen my own aura. I can even feel aura's now. Man that was weird the first time I felt that.
When we did the session where I got to see my aura, I was lying on the floor and four people had to put their hands on some kind of connection spots on the arms and legs. While the session was running one person had to go and answer the phone, and believe it or not, but the CAT actually took over. She sat down on the spot where the person sat, and put het paw on my leg on the exact right spot...
I can tell you a lot more about very old cars from which a whole lot of parts were missing, but it still started running, on its own! It even gave more gas when you asked it to do so. But I think I'm drifting away from the topic here, so I'll stop now. If anyone want to talk to me personally about anything, feel free to e-mail me at: [email protected]
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BTW: I'm neutral when it comes to religion. I was raised in a Christian way, but I was given a choice at the age of 18. '
I'm not saying that I don't believe that there is a God of somekind. I think there most probably is. But I'm not leaning towards one specific religion.
I think also think that it is somewhat wrong to connect afterlife with religion. Sure, some religions say it exists, other say not. But ultimately it is the person who has to decide whether it exists or not. I don't blame you if you don't believe me, and I'm trying to convince anyone. I'm just telling you about my experiences.
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Hey Altair, email me at [email protected] about that car story, would ya? Sounds fascinating. Too bad you're in the Netherlands, I really want to find some people who could help me access my past lives (I have a feeling I lived during the Renaissance).
I found a rather simple exercise in one of the books that helps you connect with your past lives or dead loved ones. What you do is you get a friend and sit across from each other (or alone in front of a mirror) in a room with dim lights and play soft music in the background (I think the music's optional). Then stare each other in the face, and sooner or later the face will start to change into somebody else's (you might even see headgear). The face might be the person's past self, a dead relative, a relative from the person's past lives, etc. The author of that book (Through Time into Healing) has done this with hundres of people at workshops, and it works if you let it. I tried to do this yesterday, but I got spooked when I saw my face starting to change in the mirror. I think I'll go with hypnosis.
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An e-mail I sent about this topic; here's the answer. I have deleted my first name and I don't know how to do the tags so you verify it's authen. I guess you'll have to take my word, based on how well you know I hold my beliefs, that it's a real response. I sent a copy of Tora's long post about this topic to Dr. Moore and I did decide to delete two sentences that Tora may find offensive(They were the first two.). -- There are no New Testament manuscripts that suggest Constantine deleted references to the incarnation from them. If any thing like that had happened, especially that late in the canonization process, there would be before and after manuscripts that would "tell the tale."
Although some Gnostics believed in reincarnation, the Church fathers did not (they called it transmigration of souls). Origen, whom your Internet source accuses of holding to reincarnation, actually called it a "fable." So it would appear that the person responsible for putting this information on the Internet is seeking to advance his beliefs with false information.
Glad you contacted us. I'll see you in the fall.
Blessings,
Dr. Moore
Tora: I'm sure the Dr. Wiess (sp.) you quoted is an authority on reincarnation or something, but I'm sure he isn't a Bible scholar.
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*Has fun imagining what those first two sentences might have said...*
"Your 'friend' is in league with LOO-cee-fur! Stone them now!"
>"If any thing like that had happened, especially that late in the canonization process, there would be before and after manuscripts that would "tell the tale."
Unless they were confiscated and burned.
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