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Jeff Raven
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Anyone who does not question God's existence at least once in his life cannot truly accept God.


Dispute this.

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USS Vanguard
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That actually sounds pretty good
(not much of a flame I suppose )

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Fabrux
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Is God perfect?
Yes.
Can God create something he cannot destroy?
Er...

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Omega
Some other beginning's end
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"Can God create something he cannot destroy?"

Or, as philosophers used to put it, can God create a rock so big he can't lift it? Got me.

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Michael Dracon
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"Can God create something he cannot destroy?"
Yes, that is already done. What is it? It is called mankind.

Why can't God destroy it?
If God destroys it, then there is nothing left that knows God exists.


"We think, therefor God exists."
- me

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Omega
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This question arose a few centuries back because some people didn't see that omnipotence doesn't allow you to do things that are logically impossible. God can not make something impossible for him to do, by definition, since He can do anything. It'd be contradictory.

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USS Vanguard
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God does not exist because, it was proven that he does not with the existence of the Babel fish which couldn't have evolved by chance. Therefore, that is the proof that God exists, but, "proof denies faith, and without faith, God is nothing" So God disappears in a poof of logic,

oh man, i've been reading too much Douglas Adams.

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Omega
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Uh, oh. Thermodynamics dictates the existance of God, so therefore God does not exist. Well, there go the laws of physics...

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First of Two
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Thermonynamics dictates no such thing. Bleah.

Again, I think that this all depends on WHICH or what KIND of "God" you are considering the existence of.

Will any kind do, or must it fit within the dictates of traditional JudeoChristian thought, and follow Biblical descriptors with some degree of accuracy?

A Deistic God is eminently possible, but as a completely unobservable phenomenon, having no interaction with the universe following its inception, it requires no further thought other than acceptance.

Other Gods become progresively more difficult to rationalize as stories of their involvement and activities increase. From a dispassionate standpoint, that is. Much as a fantabulist can rationalize any conflict between the myriad stories he/she tells, or between the stories and the real world, so can a faithful one (or most, at any rate) rationalize any seeming contradictions in his/her personal faith, or between his/her personal faith and reality. Often with as much convoluted reasonings (see the coming postulations on Thermodynamics, should any arise).

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I don't think you have to look farther than the Genius that is Gene Ray to find a definitive, absolute answer to this age-old question.
quote:

God can't occupy 4-corners.
Time Cube disproves God.
God is an evil adult "word
scam" against children that
justifies adult plunder of all
natural resources on Earth.
www.timecube.com

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Omega
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First:

The kind that has the ability to defy the laws of physics, or set up those laws in the first place, thus creating the universe is the kind of god I'm talking about. This kind of god MUST exist, due to laws on increasing entropy dictating a point in the past beyond which they themselves didn't apply. Everything else about this god is debatable, including HOW he (we'll call this god a 'he', for the sake of simplicity) created the universe, or even whether he's aware of it.

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Mucus
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The real question is: Why would God (if there is a god) even care if we worshipped him or not?

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First of Two
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Omega: That's the Deistic God. And even its existence is simply speculation. We don't know yet if the Universe really NEEDS a GodCause.

I wonder if the "Time Cube" guy knows that his sentence structure mirrors that of a schizophrenic?

Mucus: parallels that eternal question, doesn't it?

"What does God want with a starship?"

"What does God want with the adulation of a largely hairless omnivorous anthropoid biped?"

To me, this would be like being worshipped and loved by a colony of ants. Sure, it might stroke my ego, but I can't interact meaningfully with them, so what good will it do either of us? (Oh, and then if they pester me enough with their constant entreaties, I just might get mad and flatten the anthill in a regrettable fit of pique.)

Now being worshipped by CATS, that'd be an accomplishment.

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bryce
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I agree with Jeff's orginal statement. At some point in your life you will question God, you will question anything you believe in at some point. Hopefully after questioning anything you find the truth about the matter. C.S. Lewis denied Christ for years with the simple complaint, "What about all this suffering?" He eventually came to know Christ while on a motorcycle in England I do believe. (?)

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PsyLiam
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And then proceeded to hammer us over the head with "Look! It's a religious parallel" for seven whole books.

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