Yes, if you fight to outlaw execution based on your religious beliefs, yes.

But you yourself postulated that execution is a part of Islam ... so someone is obviously trying to force that religious belief on us!!!! ::Gasp!::

And how exactly do you plan to teach kids not to have sex?

What I said was that it is the people who make up the system ... I never said, 'everyone in the system is racist', as you claim. It only takes a few bad eggs to ruin a bunch ...

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[This message has been edited by JeffKardde (edited November 05, 2000).]

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Democrats have always been masters of changing the subject.

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Seems to me you're labeling people with the title "democrat" and judging them thusly. Why not just make all democrats wear a red, white, and blue eagle on all their clothes so republicans can ridicule them appropriately?

Republican: "Haha! Lousy democrat!" *throws stone*

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Hunt: "You cheated!"
Rhade: "It's only cheating if you get caught."
-Andromeda, "Double Helix"

ALL political debates try to force some kind of belief or another on other people. The difference is in saying "capital punishment should be abolished because people aren't perfect enough to decide who should die" and "capital punishment should be abolished because God will tak revenge."

Here's my personal example. Paganism says "harm none, do what ye will" and that energy you expend comes back three-fold. Karma and reincarnation says the murderer's soul would choose to meet the victim again in subsequent lives to resolve the matter. Do I tell you all of this? Of course not. But here's what I do say:

Our system would rather let a hundred guilty go free than execute one innocent, right? Well, innocents HAVE been executed. Whose fault is it? It's usually a combination of bad timing, lack of money (aka expensive lawyers), and human errors (including, but not only, prejudice). So I conclude here and say, "capital punishment should be abolished because people in general cannot be trusted to kill fairly."

Both approaches come to the same conclusion, but nobody would listen to the first argument.

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Equality, Cooperation & Benevolence.

"Yes, if you fight to outlaw execution based on your religious beliefs, yes.

But you yourself postulated that execution is a part of Islam ... so someone is obviously trying to force that religious belief on us!!!! ::Gasp!::"

Are you this irrational in reality, or just online? If you can't figure out the inherant hole in THAT argument, how are you able to operate a computer?

"What I said was that it is the people who make up the system ... I never said, 'everyone in the system is racist', as you claim."

When did I claim that?

"It only takes a few bad eggs to ruin a bunch ..."

So now you're suggesting that the very FEW racists in the justice system are ruining the entire thing? I'd like to hear your explaination for that.

Fab:

"Seems to me you're labeling people with the title "democrat" and judging them thusly."

No, I simply analyze their actions, and determine that they fit the profile of a typical Democrat voter. You've got the cause and effect reversed.

Ziyal:

"You're trying to outlaw abortion on the basis of your religion"

No, I'm not. We all agree that the death of an innocent is wrong, unless it serves some immediate greater good, such as saving other lives. I have shown that the unborn child is alive. It is by nature innocent. Unless it's threatening the life of the mother, killing it is wrong. I never brought religion into it.

"you're advocating abstinence, are you not forcing your beliefs on others?"

I'm advocating abstinence because it always works. How many pregnant virgins have their been throughout history?

Since I'm NOT advocating litigating my own religion, your question is moot. Nice try, though.

"ALL political debates try to force some kind of belief or another on other people."

Um, no. It's by nature impossible to force a belief on someone. You may be able to force me to go through to motions, but what I think and believe is beyond anyone's control.

"Our system would rather let a hundred guilty go free than execute one innocent, right?"

Yes, which is why I only advocate capital punishment when there is absolutely no chance that the person could be innocent.

Shik:

"Omega...bubby.....if I recall correctly, the major protion of abortions aren't kids"

I never said they were.

'Bubby' ... it's called sarcasm, I suggest you look it up, or get a sense of humor.

Perhaps I haven't been very clear in my last two posts. EVERYONE is predjudiced -- be it by race, education, etcetra. Personally, I don't much care for people who wear New York Yankee paraphenalia (probably because I'm an O's fan).

Thankfully, not very many people are predjudiced by skin color these days, but there are still hold-outs in the CJ system. Today, it seems, more people are offended when two people of the same sex decide they love each other.

But it still happens. "Justice" is not color-blind at all, she's also not sexuality blind or clothing blind. To pretend otherwise is sheer ignorance.

Do you understand?

And ... I said "if we could educate PEOPLE to use contraceptives" ... where did you come up with the idea that I said "kids"?

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"You still don't understand, do you MacLeod? I am the End of Time!" - Kronos

"You're history!" - MacLeod
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"I think anybody who doesn't think I'm smart enough to handle the job is underestimating." - George "Dubya" Bush

Or you're prejudiced about everyone.

"Personally, I don't much care for people who wear New York Yankee paraphenalia (probably because I'm an O's fan)."

That's not prejudice unless you draw some conclusion about the person. Now if you think someone's STUPID because they like the Yankees, that's prejudice, because you judge before seeing the evidence. To judge before knowing, as the word originated.

"I said "if we could educate PEOPLE to use contraceptives" ... where did you come up with the idea that I said "kids"?"

General assumption. It's easier to educate someone while they're in school. Now TV commercials are all well and good, but a good class in school will work a lot better. Of course, the best bet is a good talk from a parent.

A team of researchers goes to a remote village in some back-water country, in order to educate the inhabitants about the proper useage of condoms. To demonstrate to the males how to use condoms, they use brook sticks, mop handles, etcetra.

So they come back a few years later, and lo-and-behold, the birth rate is still what it was. They're curious ...

Until they come to the realization that before sex, the males are putting the condoms on ... broom sticks and mop handles ... (and not on the certain part of the male anatomy that it belongs)

True Story

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"You still don't understand, do you MacLeod? I am the End of Time!" - Kronos

"You're history!" - MacLeod
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"I think anybody who doesn't think I'm smart enough to handle the job is underestimating." - George "Dubya" Bush

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