Thus not perpetuating these particular stupidities.

If it calls itself a duck, we will generally assume it's a duck.

If it's a goose, calling itself a duck, the ducks should be pissed off and yelling in its face, 'you're a fuckin' GOOSE! Quit calling yourself a duck, you're making us look bad!'

Tacit acceptance of the goose by the ducks leads an observer to conclude that the goose is welcome among the ducks.

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"Ed Gruberman, you fail to grasp Ty Kwan Leap. Approach me, that you might see." -- The Master

I think this guy actually summed it rather well, when he said this:

"Any person that does not have the right attitude about God's moral Law is not a genuine saint, regardless of what they profess."

He's off base scripturally on practically EVERYTHING. I won't judge a person based on knowing them for a decade, much less some abstract ideas on the web, but IF we assume that everything this guy stands for is included on his site, he does not constitute a Christian, in that he does not follow the teachings of Christ. I'm not saying he's not, but if he is, then he needs to clarify his website. What's that verse about eschewing the appearance of evil?

Notable quotes:

"The news media is the worse institution in America, and the most despicable."

Well, maybe they got ONE thing close to right...

"One cannot have thoughts of a true GOD without actually thinking of the true God, because there is no true God other than the true God."

Well... duh?

"How do you make life miserable for heathens? By making it that they must submit to God's righteousness."

Has this guy read the Bible at all? IIRC, Revelation says that everyone's gonna have to do this sooner or later...

"YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE WRONG"

Oh, sure I do.

"He who agrees with america's constitution and its system of democracy becomes moonstruck and goes crazy."

I literally laughed out loud at that one. This guy is a hick. How'd he ever figure out how to set up a domain name, anyway?

"All major news media in America is the main medium by which satan and his demons speak to the American public."

I can hardly type, I'm laughing so hard.

"The senators and congressmen are also the medium by which the people make their desires known unto satan, and one means by which satan answers their prayers."

So how does the POTUS work into this system? Does this make Bill Clinton Satan?

"I have nightmares after reading the American constitution and its amendments."

Sure you don't mean "headaches" here, buddy?

"America is the leading anti-Christian, anti-God, anti-Jesus Christ nation on earth."

And this would include China, where people can be shot for believing the above?

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I think this guy is really trying to create an entirely new religion, that has absolutely nothing to do with Christianity except the name.

Here's a handy guide for you. Christianity can be boiled down to a very few statements and commands. Keep in mind that this IS my analysis, and that I am fallible (yes, I did just say that). I may have missed something important, but this is the general idea:

1) God loves you, under all circumstances.

2) You owe God. BIG. Therefore, you should do what He says.

3) Love God.

4) Love everyone else.

5) Especially, love yourself. God does, after all.

6) Tell as many as possible of the above.

It's really that simple. Anyone who calls themselves Christian, and yet does not do the above, is seriously misguided or misinformed.

Does Rule #2 apply to the Commandment not to kill? If yes, how do you justify owning a firearm knowing that God does not want you to kill? IIRC, it's "Thou Shalt Not Kill", not "Thou Shalt Not Murder"

Also, explain the contradictory attitude regarding the death penalty and the above commandment?

Re: #4, shouldn't you also then love and forgive people who commit criminal acts against you? You don't want to shoot someone you love, do you?

Just wondering.

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"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier ... just as long as I'm the dictator." - George "Dubya" Bush, Dec 18, 2000

And yet, many cling to these 'mistranslations' as if they were, indeed, the word of God.

Does Rule #2 apply to the Commandment not to kill? If yes, how do you justify owning a firearm knowing that God does not want you to kill?

Boy, you have to bring guns into everything, don't you?

a) The commandments were given to the Jews/Hebrews/Isrealites. A Christian is, by definition, one that follows the teachings of Christ, not the teachings of Moses as given to him by God. Now, according to Christ, the entirity of the law can be summed as two commandments. "Love God," and, "Love everyone else like you love yourself," which requires that you love yourself, as well.

b) You just don't seem to get that just because I will own a gun, I would only kill the ever-hypothetical robber if he was directly threatening someone. I'm sure you'd do the same thing. Otherwise, there's this little technique where you point the gun at the guy and say, "Hey, don't move." Then you await the arrival of local law enforcement.

c) Given that, your question is moot.

Also, explain the contradictory attitude regarding the death penalty and the above commandment[.]

I've done this already. I did it in the abortion thread, too. Guess you weren't paying attention. Again.

I hold a different position legislatively on the death penalty than I do morally. As a moral POV, I'd say that the death penalty is wrong. However, I'd also say that a decent possibility for actually reforming criminals would be to lock them in a cell with a Bible for six months, along with daily visits from a priest. What would you say if I tried to have that legislated? Or maybe if I tried to have pre-marital sex outlawed? Heck, practically everyone agrees that it's wrong to cheat on your spouse. Do you think we should make a law against that?

Just because I think something is morally wrong doesn't mean I should try to outlaw it. That would be forcing my belief system on others.

shouldn't you also then love and forgive people who commit criminal acts against you?

Of course I should. But forgiveness doesn't mean withholding of consequences. For an INCREDIBLY hypothetical example, say I slept with my hypothetical girlfriend. I pray for forgiveness, and I get it, as the Bible says, but as it turns out, GF's pregnant. Just because I get forgiven for the sin doesn't mean there aren't consequences.

"You don't want to shoot someone you love, do you?"

Not unless it is the only way I can prevent a more unpleasant alternative from coming to pass (say, the death of an innocent), which, as I've stated more than once before, is the only time I can see myself doing so. Pay attention, for once. I'm getting tired of repeating myself.

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"Still one thing more fellow-citizens--A wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government..."
-Thomas Jefferson

BTW, anyone touch the "say I slept with my hypothitical girlfriend" as an example of sin comment, and I will kill you dead.

Christianity isn't out to prove all Christians to be better. Don't blame the belief system. Instead blame the people who take the belief system and twist it out of control. I don't control them any better than I control any of you. The only person I can control is myself (and even THAT is hard sometimes!)

I hope this all made sense. I'm drugged up pretty heavily again.... kinda hard to think straight, and I think I forgot my point a LONG time again.... Pleh!

~LOA

It's nice to hear that there are indeed some Christians who feel this way. It seems the only Christians who get representation are guys like Jack Van Impe and Jerry Falwell, and that Phelps (sp?) guy.