Pardon me for saying this, but I've been reading over some of the past flames, especially the political ones.
Abe Lincoln, while a Republican, was also a flaming liberal (big gov't over state gov't, remember -- Civil War wasn't just over slavery)
George Wallace (whatever his name is, you know, "segregation now, segregation tommorow, etc.) while a Democrat, was obviously a strict conservative.
Omega is correct in saying that more Republicans helped pass the 1964 Civil Rights act, but he is only telling half the truth as the Republican Party had, at the time, a sizeable liberal wing, and the Democrats had a sizeable conservative wing (the Southern Democrats). He also ignores that liberal Democrats voted for the bill, prefering to write his own version of history, but I'm sure Omega's black & white look at the world isn't a surprise to anyone here.
The point is ... liberal does not neccessarily mean democrat, and conservative doesn't mean republican, at least, not at all points in this nation's history, although the two parties are aligned on the liberal/conservative line more closely now than they have been in the past.
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No need to flame, this has been used often here by several members already. Thank you for pointing out the known though.
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Which is why I try not to make "democrat" synonomous with "liberal" and "Republican" with "conservative." Republican and democrat are only party affiliations, whereas liberal and conservative are ideological mindsets.
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Although, it does seem that at this time they are such.
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Then again, with the way certain conservative demagogs have literally re-written the history of the Republican party, you'd never know that the Republicans did have any liberal members in it's ranks.
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I think Right is saying that today the parties are closely aligned on the liberal/conservative lines, but that they used to be more alike, in that they each had conservative, moderate, and liberal groups in them.
Liberal Republicans? Who'd'a thought?
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Would Right's opening statement be considered a flame on people, since it is directed at 'You guys..'???
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[This message has been edited by Ritten (edited February 07, 2001).]
The bit about all of us being stupid? Republican liberals? Democrat conservatives? Or are you suggesting that Right is not a member of the right?
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[This message has been edited by JeffKardde (edited February 07, 2001).]
Yes. And since we're just tossing these out there, I'd like to note that you would be hard pressed to find your way down a slide with a large box marked "Slide Instructions" sitting at the bottom.
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As it should be bloody well clear to anyone who actually read what I posted, the "you guys are stupid" comment is directed only at those who believe Conservative = Republican and Democrat = Liberal, because they don't. Namely, Omega and JeffK, who seem to associate the two. SNAP OUT OF IT! To anyone else who was offended, I apologize -- it wasn't directed at you.
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Pardon? Since when do I think that the GOP is synonymous with wanting a smaller government, or that the DNP is synonymous with a bigger one? Just because that's what, with the exception of Richard Nixon, both have pretty well consistantly executed in office since the 30s...
I never said, indicated, nor believed that the terms were synonymous. I am well aware of the differences, and use whichever fits the situation.
And BTW: how could Mr. "Segregation FOREVER!" be "obviously" a conservative?
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