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Take the he as gender inspecific, until a person is known.
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Besides we, it seems, enjoy calling each other self righteous Conservitives/Republicans, and dim witted ignorant un-informed Liberal/Democrats, and indicisive half informed Independant. Now, if you do something silly, like start a topic on the length of the Defiant, then you will see political arch-enemies team up on you and batter your position mercilessly.
Or....
This could be a conspiracy aimed strictly at you....
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I assume you're refering to Wallace. I never said he was. Right just said that he was obviously a conservative, and I asked for an explaination of his claim.
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Personally, I'd like to applaud Right for posting this. It sorta puts a light on all the negative typecasting that is associated with Liberals and Democrats. And as Ritten said, associated the Conservative and Republicans as "self-righteous". Just thinking of that makes me retch.
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Well, since liberals backed the Civil Rights Act, it's a fairly good bet Conservatives opposed it. Mind you, I'm not talking about today's Conservatives, but those in the fifties and sixties. Obviously, today's Conservatives are a bit more open minded than those, just as today's liberals are more liberal than the liberals of that time period. But Wallace wasn't a liberal (at that time, anyway, apparently he later became a staunch opponent of segregation, but I don't know much about that), might've been a moderate (it's been suggested he took such a hard line simply to be re-elected and not because he personally supported segregation), but probably a Conservative.
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What is your basis for the statement that "liberals backed the Civil Rights Act"? Al Gore, Sr., certainly was a liberal (and was also in the back pocket of a Soviet operative ironically named Armand Hammer, BTW), and he opposed it vehemently.
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Yeah, you're right, JFK and LBJ didn't support the thing at all. I keep forgetting. Hello? Whose history books are you reading? Just wondering. Where does your proof for your allegations (both of them) come from? Rush Limbaugh doesn't count, BTW.
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Um... excuse me? You made a completely whacked-out blanket statement that made no sense whatsoever, and I am the one reading the wrong history books. You said that because liberals, ANY liberals, supported it, conservatives had to be against it. Did you even think about this before you typed it?
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Er, no, hardly. Although why do you think Conservatives supported it? Just out of curiousity. Wallace didn't support it -- he was a Conservative.
This whole nation has been based on liberal ideals. The Declaration of Independence and the Constitution are two of the most liberal documents ever written (especially at that time). The Civil War was fought for very liberal agendas (at first, the power of the Federal gov't over the state, then the freedom of the enslaved). Just look at FDR's term to identify other liberal ideals.
I don't thinks its very far-fetched to suggest that the Civil Rights Act has more liberal support than conservative, does it?
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I don't thinks its very far-fetched to suggest that the Civil Rights Act has more liberal support than conservative, does it?
Yes, it is quite far-fetched, because you have no evidence to support it.
The DoI is not liberal or conservative, as it states no powers of government.
The Constitution is not liberal, unless compaired to uber-weak governments like the Articles of Confederation.
FDR, however, WAS a liberal, and practically all his ideas increased the power of the government.
But what does this have to do with the CRA? How the heck does freeing slaves and letting everyone vote increase the power of the government? It doesn't, and is thus not a liberal idea. It's like abortion and capital punishment: they have nothing to do with the level of control the government has over your life, and thus are not liberal or conservative ideas. They're issues of morality.
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While those are how many liberal/conservative ideals are defined today, that does not mean they're how they were defined in the past.
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Liberal -
a. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry
b. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded
Conservative -
a. Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change.
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The DoI and the Constitution were liberal documents at the time because they were NOT limited to the established attitude of rule by monarch. Very much, those documents, the ideas they were based on, etcetra, were EXTREMELY liberal for their time.
By definition, the Civil Rights Act was a very liberal document, and Conservatives tended to oppose it. Mind you, this is not an attack on today's Republican Party (which tends to made up of mostly conservatives).
Liberal minded people supported the CRA, Conservative minded people (opposed to change) didn't.
How the heck does freeing slaves and letting everyone vote increase the power of the government? It doesn't, and is thus not a liberal idea
Um, Omega, I don't know what your definition of liberal is. I can safely say it is incorrect. While many liberals do support a bigger gov't, that hardly means that liberal ideals can ONLY be those associated with having a bigger government. It's like saying you have to support the NRA to be a Conservative. You don't, it's just one issue of many and of a completely different ideology.
The Civil Rights Act of 1964 was liberal precisely because it challenged the concept of segregation, etc.
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The definitions of conservative and liberal have changed over the decades. As it now stands, a liberal is defined as someone who wants a bigger government, not someone who wants to change things. A conservative is defined as someone who wants a smaller government and more personal freedom. The definition changes because the situation changes.
Look at Bill Clinton. You won't find anyone who argues that he's not liberal, yet what did he do to REALLY change things? Not one stinkin' thing. After he left office, Social Security and Medicare were exactly the same as they were, plus eight years of decay.
Look at the President. He wants to change quite a bit of stuff (Social security, vouchers, etc.), and yet he's conservative.
Words mean whatever they're intended by the speaker to mean, and if that intent changes, so does the definition of the word. You're definitions do not fit current usage of terms. Mine do.
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