Not to mention, I've heard Rush Limbaugh, your dear beloved Saint of Conservative AM Radio, say repeatedly that only liberals pass laws and then decide not to enforce them
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The quote in question does not mention Democratic legislatures in any way. It simply mentions Gore and Clinton as major offenders, which they were. You seem to assume that people are out to get you when they're not, forcing yourself onto the defensive.
Paranoid...
Oh, and BTW, what does Rush Limbaugh have to do with... anything at all? Let's see. You bring up the beliefs of someone who has nothing to do with the discussion. Why would you do this? To distract attention away from something? What, then? Perhaps the inadequacy of your own argument?
You just make yourself look bad when you do things like this, JK. Don't you get that?
Under any circumstances, let's get back to what the topic was BEFORE you changed it because you couldn't win. We don't know whether we need to change existing law or not until we see if existing law works. We won't know whether existing law works or not until it's enforced, which it has not been for eight years. Do you disagree with any of the above?
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Are you saying Rush Limbaugh isn't an extremely conservative Republican? Most of the AM-listening radio-heads follow Rush, no matter what comments he make, so if Rush were to say that liberals created laws but didn't enforce them, would he not be speaking for a vast majority of Republicans?
I don't know if he actually said that or not, I find Rush about as educational as a pile of dog crap and just as appealing.
And besides, the whole notion of a political group enforcing laws is ridiculous. Police enforce laws, not politicians. JeffK is quite incorrect to suggest that the Texas' police failure to arrest those who are obviously breaking the law is Dubya's fault. At the same time, both Omega and First of Two seem to think that Al Gore and Bill Clinton don't enforce laws -- well, duh. They pass laws, cops enforce laws. As I recall, didn't Clinton get federal funding to put 70,000 cops on the street?
Now, as for McCain/Feingold. Is it Un-Constitutional? Maybe. I don't agree with the ACLU about everything, but it seems to me that our whole political system is majorly fucked up and it's time to do some reform of one sort or the other.
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Rush Limbaugh is irrelevant to this discussion. All mentions of him will be ignored by me from this point forward.
As I recall, didn't Clinton get federal funding to put 70,000 cops on the street?
Funding which was almost immediately withdrawn, by design.
our whole political system is majorly fucked up and it's time to do some reform of one sort or the other.
Well, we've gotten a good start by electing a president that doesn't actively BREAK the laws, wouldn't you say?
both Omega and First of Two seem to think that Al Gore and Bill Clinton don't enforce laws
Reno ran the justice department. Reno took orders from Clinton. Reno didn't enforce campaign finance laws. Reno could have been ordered to enforce said laws by Clinton. No such order was given.
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He does have an annoying tendency to create generalizations out of specific cases, doesn't he?
I say 'Clinton and Gore' which he expands to mean 'all liberals.'
You know, if I said I thought that Michael Jackson, who happens to be a black man, was a pervert, and he expanded that to say that I said that all blacks were perverts, And publicly announced on a forum that that is what I said, I could probably sue him for libel.
*Mackeyspeak* M'kay? Making generalities out of specifics is BAD. If you make generalities out of specifics, you're bad, M'kay? Racists and sexists and Fundies make generalities out of specifics. They're bad.
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There's two shockers in that sentence. 'Black', and 'Man'. I suppose I shouldn't have found his 'Black or White' video erotic. I feel dirty.
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quote:I say 'Clinton and Gore' which he expands to mean 'all liberals.'
My apologies. In my searchings, I couldn't find anywhere where you did in fact mention all liberals. Keeping in mind that the post I quoted you from almost half a year old, I'm sure you can understand that the misunderstanding was simply that over a space of time.
quote:Well, we've gotten a good start by electing a president that doesn't actively BREAK the laws, wouldn't you say?
Which is a good change not only from Clinton, but Bush Sr., Reagan, Nixon ...
quote:Reno ran the justice department. Reno took orders from Clinton. Reno didn't enforce campaign finance laws. Reno could have been ordered to enforce said laws by Clinton. No such order was given.
You know, I'm such an idiot. I didn't realize law enforcement had to actually wait to be ordered to enforce laws instead of just enforcing them ... ::shrug::
Still doesn't explain why Texas' Governor didn't order his cops to enforce the laws, tho.
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As for Reno, look at it from the other direction. Reno had the authority to enforce said laws. Reno did not. Reno's job was to enforce the laws. Reno did not. Why?
Clinton could have gotten on her case about it. Clinton had both the right and the authority to do so. Clinton did not. Why?
Perhaps because they did not WANT those laws enforced, as doing so would have been... inconvenient?
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Well, at that I must point out that the discussion had verged away from campaign improprities towards law- ignoring conduct of any kind Well, we've gotten a good start by electing a president that doesn't actively BREAK the laws, wouldn't you say?. Your own words. Unless, of course, you've forgotten about Watergate, or Iran-Contra...?
When did I mention anything about Reagan or Bush campaign illegalities? Anyone?
Maybe you need to take your own advice, Omega. Shut up. Or try reading.
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You cannot justify Clintonian behavior by pointing to previous administrations. Even Nixon.
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Not trying to justify, am I? Simply pointing out that it is erroneous (yes, I know I mispelled that) to point fingers at Bill Clinton as the only President to break the law.
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