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Ritten
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If it is good for big business then it is good for W, which means it is good for all Americans....

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First of Two
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The above statement's total relevancy and logic content is zero. Thank you for the demonstration.

Now, the answer to Jay's question is:

1.) While redundancy in the space shuttle's systems is good, redundancy in government spending is bad.

2.) The federal government should never step in and do what state and local governments are quite capable of doing on their own. Stopping it from doing so is good.

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The government that seems the most unwise, oft goodness to the people best supplies. That which is meddling, touching everything, will work but ill, and disappointment bring. - The Tao Te Ching


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Saltah'na
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Ritten has a point. Why else would companies want to have their name on such programs?

It's basically advertising. Basically telling them that "hey, we're good people since we're sponsors, go buy our product". They don't actually have to do it, but since it furthers their name and contributes to more sales, who gives a rats ass? It's called Corporate Influence. While such corporate influence is good, too much is bad. Pretty soon, you'll have Pizza Hut sponsoring schools, General Motors sponsoring Libraries, and Citibank sponsoring libraries, etc. etc.

And when companies sponsor, or give some form of donation to a public institution or program, that money comes with Strings attached. That means, the institution or program has to do what the Company wants, or they lose the money. Depending on the amount of the sponsoring or donation, the company could basically "own" the public institution or program by telling them how to run day-to-day operations.

That's Corporate influence. It's happening here in Canada. And if you don't think it is a bad thing, well......

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First of Two
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>"And when companies sponsor, or give some form of donation to a public institution or program, that money comes with Strings attached. That means, the institution or program has to do what the Company wants, or they lose the money."


But the government does the EXACT SAME THING!

Take the new Internet Filtering Bill, that ties Library funding to whether or not the library has filters on its computers, as one example.

ALL money has strings attatched.

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The government that seems the most unwise, oft goodness to the people best supplies. That which is meddling, touching everything, will work but ill, and disappointment bring. - The Tao Te Ching


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Of course all money has strings attached. In a way, this is good for keeping benevolent control over what the institution is doing.

Tell me, would you rather have a capitalist corporation, in which you have no stock ownership and thus no control over, out for almost nothing but fame and profits, dictating your libraries? Or perhaps you would like a governmental body, whom you have the power to elect and the right to speak to, guiding your educational institutions?

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Antagonist thus spake: "Tell me, would you rather have a capitalist corporation, in which you have no stock ownership and thus no control over, out for almost nothing but fame and profits, dictating your libraries? Or perhaps you would like a governmental body, whom you have the power to elect and the right to speak to, guiding your educational institutions?"

You failed to take into account that said capitalist corporation OWNS the politicians who we "have the power to elect" into office.

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[This message has been edited by Quatre Winner (edited April 26, 2001).]


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Saltah'na
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Heh.... now isn't that funny, eh? How funny that such a situation exists right here in Ontario.

How really funny.

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- Omega, in trying to explain why pigs are now flying, why Microsoft products are now working perfectly, hell freezing over, and George W Bush giving a flawless speech. 04/06/01, 12:17AM

[This message has been edited by Tahna Los (edited April 26, 2001).]


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Move to Saskatchewan. I think we've got a Grain Auger as our Premier. If we have a Premier at all.

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Omega
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Antagonist:

Tell me, would you rather have a capitalist corporation, in which you have no stock ownership and thus no control over, out for almost nothing but fame and profits, dictating your libraries? Or perhaps you would like a governmental body, whom you have the power to elect and the right to speak to, guiding your educational institutions?

I'd rather have the capitalist corporation. They actually care about their money, and want to see it used efficiently. History has shown that the government, OTOH, at least when run by liberals, doesn't care how much money they waste, because it's not theirs.

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So Omega, if one is to look at history, there hasn't been one conservative government that wasted more money than a liberal one?

How much money did Reagan waste on weapons, again? Or was that not waste?

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O-smega doesn't seem to understand that Capitalist Corporations tend to fund more "Liberal" programs than anyone else. They don't want the populace to be kept ignorant, unlike his right wing, Neo-fascists zombies. They only want corporations to support the politicos that only meet THEIR narrowly defined poltical beliefs.

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Jay the Obscure
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Whereas the corporate bosses are beholded to naught but a few majority investors who have not naught but their own interests and greed in mind.

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Tom:

How much money did Reagan waste on weapons, again?

Military spending went from ~18% of total spending to ~23% of total spending during the Reagan administration. Tax revenues went from <$500 billion to >$900 billion, adjusted for inflation. We ended up hugely in debt, yet the money wasn't spent on the military. So what was it spent on? Well, ask the Democrats. They controlled the money at the time. They controlled the House.

And since the next two posts have no intellectual content whatsoever...

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Saltah'na
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Yes they do.

It's called Puppet String Pulling, in which they use their influence on politicians to create laws that benefit corporations more than the people, the environment, etc. etc. etc.

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"In a completely unrelated news story, I have a date tomorrow night."
- Omega, in trying to explain why pigs are now flying, why Microsoft products are now working perfectly, hell freezing over, and George W Bush giving a flawless speech. 04/06/01, 12:17AM


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As opposed to Puppet String Pulling in which the government creates regulations on companies and industry which serve no useful purpose, but increase the power of government.

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