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Ah, but you don't say you WANT the Code of Hammurabi or English Common Law or any OTHER statutes up there. You're ONLY supporting the 10 Commandments (which, while somewhat historical in terms of lawgiving, are hardly the basis of US Law.)
So the intent behind the idea becomes clear.
Me, I think putting "In God We Trust" on a symbol of Mammon (money) would probably be pretty dicey. Idolatry, maybe?
And then there's all these crucifixs and paintings and such of JC... 'graven images?"
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Last time I checked, the commandments were part of Christian beliefs, too. Jebus reinterpreted a few of the Mosaic laws, but he never revoked the ten commandments.
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OK, the law was part of the old contract between Abraham & co. and God. God would bless all the world through Abraham's decendants, and in return, Abraham would follow God. The contract extended to all of Israel: Israel is a good little child, and God protects and blesses them. That particular aspect of the contract was broken repeatedly, but the main clause remained in effect. When God fulfilled his end of the contract, by sending Christ, the terms of the contract were met on both ends. Then a new one was implemented, with God and Christ as the party of the first part, and the Church as the party of the second part. In this one, we serve God, and get to live eternally in return.
The Old Testament is called that for a reason: it no longer applies.
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That isn't a mainstream Protestant position, as far as I can tell. In my experience, the only parts of the Old Testament tossed out by most churches are the Sabbath commandment, the thou shalt not wear polyester one, and the food rules. Er, and the stoning clauses. Perhaps because good stones are so hard to find these days. The only other real difference is that the Christian view of the law is that it is how God would like you to act, but is not a requirement for salvation.
Of course, as we've seen here today, there are sects on either side of this particular bell curve.
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Catholics too also ignore the Sabbath one (I'm not sure what replaces it), but they are suppossed to honour the rest.
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quote:Originally posted by Omega: OK, Christian "law" doesn't apply to you? Fine. The alternative would be the law of sin, and the payment for sin is death. You like that better? 'Course, there's always that grace thing, but then you're not interested in that, are you?
I've been dead far many more times than you'd think or could count. As for "sin"...that's a typically controlling concept. And "grace" seems to me to be something steeped in being really needy.
Unless, of course, you mean "Grace," which is a great song & album by Jeff Buckley. I'm listening to "Eternal Life" right now. Funny that, seeing as how he's haunting my friend Kim & now me. Wish he'd go away.
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OK, Christian "law" doesn't apply to you? Fine. The alternative would be the law of sin, and the payment for sin is death. You like that better? 'Course, there's always that grace thing, but then you're not interested in that, are you?
So I decide to abide by Buddhist law. So does that mean that I am a sinner? I'd better hit myself with a painstik about 200 times to ask for forgiveness for my sins. Oh the horror, oh the humanity.
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Hm. Perhaps I should say this before I'm taken the wrong way.
Omega is devoutly & almost fanatically Christian. Marvelous. Bully for him.That's what works for him, then power to him. But it doesn't work for me, or for others. Most Christians I know adopt a laissez-faire policy: be tolerant & discuss, but don't push or judge.
Omega...you're pushing. And you're judging. Please stop. I happen to think--no, I KNOW--that you're a mundane in the eyes of the universe. Do I lord it over you? No. It's not my job or my place. I do not place any faith in Christian dogma. This does not make me a bad person nor does it mean I'm going to be one of the fallen or whatever the term is. It simply means I feel differently. You want to work with sturct & rigid laws & rule interpretations? Spec-fuckin'-TACular. Don't apply those standards to us.
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Hasn't Omega said on multiple occasions that someone or another is going to go to hell for doing something? Isn't that judgement supposed to be reserved for Yahweh? Isn't there that whole "judge not, lest ye be judged" deal?
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Hell must be a fun place, though, with Gandhi and Muhammed and Confucious and the rest of the gang down there.
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In my experience, the only parts of the Old Testament tossed out by most churches are the Sabbath commandment, the thou shalt not wear polyester one, and the food rules. Er, and the stoning clauses.
They follow that which is in the NT. That just happens to overlap some of the OT. I like the analogy of spiritual maturity. The Israelites were two-year-olds. "Don't go near the oven, or Daddy'll spank you!" The NT is more like full-grown adults. "Well, you can go near the oven. You know what you're doing. Use your good judgement."
The OT was a list of do's and don't's. Under the NT, you DECIDE the do's and don't's, based upon the basic philosophy. There ARE a lot of similarities, obviously, because they both come from the same God, but that's a major difference.
As for "sin"...that's a typically controlling concept. And "grace" seems to me to be something steeped in being really needy.
You ARE needy. You need salvation.
So I decide to abide by Buddhist law. So does that mean that I am a sinner?
Have you sinned EVER in your ENTIRE life? Then you're a sinner.
I'd better hit myself with a painstik about 200 times to ask for forgiveness for my sins.
The asking would do just fine.
Omega...you're pushing. And you're judging.
I tell you what I believe. I answer questions. Tell me where I've judged someone.
You want to work with sturct & rigid laws & rule interpretations?
No, I'm NEW Testament, remember?
Hasn't Omega said on multiple occasions that someone or another is going to go to hell for doing something?
I don't believe so, no.
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quote: Hasn't Omega said on multiple occasions that someone or another is going to go to hell for doing something?
I don't believe so, no.
quote:OK, Christian "law" doesn't apply to you? Fine. The alternative would be the law of sin, and the payment for sin is death.
That not explicitly "you're gonna go to hell" for you? Off the top of my head, how about the time you said that Jubes and her eeeevil Wiccan ways would not be saved unless she "followed you."
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quote:The Old Testament is called that for a reason: it no longer applies.
Good to hear that you've dropped your nonsensical belief in Adam and Eve and seven-day Creation.
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