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Of course, Global Warming is a sham. It's exaclty like that one trick that David Blaine - Magic Man where he picks a guy off of the street and asks him to pick a card. The guy picks a card and then David Blaine - Magic Man throws the deck of cards against a storefront window, and then David Blaine - Magic Man reveals that his card is on the INSIDE of the window. It's just a trick. Probably perpetrated by Majestic 12. Something is fishy about David Blaine - Magic Man. Nanoaugmented perhaps?
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There was a TV special on about this several nights ago. They referred to Global Warming as the "Science of Uncertainty".
Non Environmentalists say that it is too much of a risk to gamble on anything that is "Uncertain".
Environmentalists say that it is prudent to try to slow this problem down, because by the time it has become "Certain" it may be too late.
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For what, exactly? For all they know, and for all the evidence suggests, we're about to enter another ice age, and we'll NEED the CO2 to keep from freezing to death. You can't predict the weather on a national scale three days in advance with much better than 75% accuracy. How much less can you predict global climate changes decades beforehand?
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At a guess, because one refers to a general trend in the weather, and the other refers to specific times and days. We can't say for certain what the weather will be like 4 days from now, but you we can make a pretty safe guess that Summer will be warmer than winter.
And obviously you don't want to get rid of all CO2. The argument is (presumably) reducing the amount that we emmit through industry and stuff that wouldn't normally be emmitted. There would still be a "normal" amount produced.
And why have both Simon and UM got the Deus Ex bug recently?
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The problem that we keep finding with the computer models is that the equations don't balance.
They input "current" conditions and trends, and run it forward for a couple hundred years, and they show global warming.
But when they reverse the equations, and run it backwards from the "hot" 200 years in the future to now... they don't get "current" conditions.
This indicates that somewhere in the predictive process, an error/errors have creeped in.
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Do you know who has (inherited from his political father) a lotta stock shares in Occidental?
If you said Bush, you guessed wrong. Then-VP Al Gore.
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He was relevant to the government we had at the time.
He was in an oil company's pocket.
His supporters (or at least, the people who would rather have seen him as president) are still going on about how bad it is to be in an oil company's pocket, and how horrible it is to have a president who (to them) is.
I'm merely pointing out a flaw in the logic.
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Interestingly enough, Elk Hills was part of the famous (and oddly similar to these events) Teapot Dome scandal, which brought down Then-President Warren Harding.
Incidentally, Occidental also controlled the company which was responsible for the dumping in Love Canal.
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When I was twelve, I put oil on my bike chain.
That must mean I shot down Kyoto all by my self. Logic being what it is and all.
Well, that being that, I'm off to go begin voluntary personal measures in support of the environment that in no way harm the economy of the United States of America...which, at some point in the not so distant past became even more important than all other life on the planet.
If that damned Spotted Owl doesn't want to go all extinct, he'd better get himself a real job like the rest of us. Tell him to stop living off government land like some kind of lazy...uh...animal.
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What a perfectly useless distinction, First. Al Gore could be somewhere ripping the heads off chickens and opening portrals to the ninth circle, and it would not render a single word in any criticism of the current administration invalid.
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Did nobody notice that the official didn't quit over the stand on Kyoto but about deadly toxins in the air. Whether you believe that global warming is occurring or not, has nothing to do with this. Pouring deadly toxins in the air at the rate that we are is bad, even FOT couldn't ignore the science on that. If it comes to putting less pollution in our air, I'm all for it. Sure it will cause short term job losses in some areas, but in other areas, such as filtering technologies it will increase jobs. Finding ways to curb pollution rates is important not because of what the first world is doing but because of what the third world is doing. As the first world becomes more service oriented and the third world is taking on the jobs of raw material manipulation (ie steel mills,aluminum,ore processing) it is up to the first world to help them do this safely. We have polluted some of the most beautiful places to death in NA and Europe and now we should help the emerging economies to get on their feet without destorying their envoments as we have. Less pollution is just common sence, most people can't see that because they are only looking short term.
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That would be good, except that every treaty out there EXEMPTS the developing countries from the pollution standards, because they know that those standards will cripple the countries' economic development. Even Kyoto exempted China (by far the largest polluter in terms of production to pollution ratio), Brazil, etc.
Dehli, Beijing, Moscow, all have much more particulates per cubic meter in their air than any US city. In fact, in a study of a large number of major metropolitan areas, only France and Japan had lower pollution levels than New York
The US already has lower production to pollution rates than any other country and higher pollution standards than most countries in the world. Perhaps if the rest of the world would play catch-up, they wouldn't need to worry about the US so much.
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I don't know where you got the highest production/pollution rates in the world from but the world bank site you sent us to doesn't work so I'm not sure what you are refering to there. Looking around the world bank site though it shows the US has the highest Co2 emmissions per capita in the world. Could you please show us where you got the p/p rates from?
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I'm looking for a comparative study of the US's pollution standards vs. other countries' but haven't found one yet.
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