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First of Two
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http://www.msnbc.com/news/677951.asp?pne=msn

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IN TUESDAY’S Security Council session, the United States, Israel’s most powerful ally, introduced an unprecedented resolution that affirms “a vision of a region where two states, Israel and Palestine, live side-by-side within secure and recognized borders.”
That's right. "Nuke 'em Bush"'s UN team introduces the most far-reaching Middle-East peace resolution ever, the FIRST to call Palestine a state.

But we're still looking to stomp Iraq.

It's enough to drive one schizophrenic!

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Sol System
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Oh, good, UN resolutions. That's where all the important works gets done.
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First of Two
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Hey, I may stop bashing the UN if they can make somethig out of this.

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Sol System
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But there already are UN resolutions about the Israel/Palestine issue. Cynical, perhaps, but I read this as nothing more than a feel-good soundbite intended for circulation in the Arab world while we're busy blowing up large sections of it.

Not that I think it's a bad idea. Far from it. And not that I think that there aren't a small handful of places that happen to be in the Middle East that need blowing up.

Statements of intent are fine and necessary things, but they're meaningless if not backed up by action (and cash).

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Lee
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Big wow. Someone wake me up when the US Goverment actually ignores the wrath of the Jewish-American lobby and maybe considers censuring Israel for some of the less-than-politic actions it's taken in the past. . .

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BTW: Hope Lies in civilian guns.

I was listening to Neil Bortz the other day, and I heard the tale that the Holy Land (I can't remember the difference between Israel and Palestine) in its efforts to combat terrorism has decided to issue thousand of new carrying permits for guns.

Whereas, in the U.S., politicians are attempting to get anti-gun stuff to fight terrorism...

Erm, well, the trouble here is that common sense clearly shows that when guns are outlawwed, only outlaws will carry them (and that includes terrorists).

Also, it is a relatively simple matter to construct your own if you know how. (one criminal did this to prevent being traced)

As tangos delight in homemade bombs, if guns were more difficult to acquire, they'd simply make homemade guns too.

(and woe to the unarmed civilian who crosses them. Better to be prepared for war and not go to war, then to be unprepared when the enemy launches his assault)

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"Jews in Israel are very different from the kind of Jews you see here in America. Here, we have the 'Let me do your taxes for you' kind of Jew...& over there, they're more of the 'Hold my gun while I piss against this wall' sort of Jew." --Jon Stewart

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Malnurtured Snay
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Chris,

Actually, thanks for bringing that up (now I can't be accused of hijacking the thread!)

One of the anti-gun laws you're probably speaking of was that which limited a person to one gun purchase per person per month (not calendar month, but an actual 30-day period).

In the year following the passage of the law in Maryland, gun homicides dropped by 14%. While Rob and Omega (and I'm sure you) can make a counter-claim that that doesn't prove anything, what's really interesting is the other bit.

(First some backstory). Weapons puchased in Virginia were "responsible for the majority of trackable guns seized in crimes in New York City, Boston, and Washington, DC. Prompted by this research, Virginia's one-gun-a-month law went into effect in 1995."

Now, guess which state then began providing the majority of black-weapon markets? Maryland. So Maryland passed a similar law in 1997, and guess what?

So, while you may feel free to critique anti-gun legislation as much as you'd like, it's quite clear that "mass gun purchases quickly find their way onto the black market and into the hands of inner city kids where they are disproportionately involved in illegal activities."

Article.

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The Talented Mr. Gurgeh
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Yeah, although I don't have a particularly strong opinion on this issue, I think it's pretty clear that the one-gun-a-month rule is working, and should be extended to rifles and shotguns. The only possible reasons I can see to resist this are:

a) You're a criminal of some sort
b) You produce/sell guns and wish to protect your livelihood.

While I may have some sympathy for people with reason b, I don't think it can take priority over the safety of the populous.

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First of Two
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I would assume that there would be an exemption for licenced firearms dealers.

I would assume that. I might be wrong, and I wouldn't be surprised, because limiting gun store sales to one a month would be a convenient way to drive them all out of business and thus deprive law-abiding citizens of guns, without making it look as if that's what you're doing.

But since most of 'them' aren't that clever, and since it was fairly easy to come up with that suspicion, I'll assume there's an exception.

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Malnurtured Snay
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Obviously, those who own and run gun stores can buy more then one gun a month. We're talking about the sale of handguns from gun stores to citizens, not from gun manufacturers to gun stores.

The gun stores just can't sell more then one a month to the same person.

[ March 14, 2002, 09:00: Message edited by: Malnurtured Snay ]

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Jon Stewart is a funny man. How I laugh and laugh.
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PsyLiam
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(As much as I love gun threads, this is more an attempt to be sarcastic. Yes.)

"Erm, well, the trouble here is that common sense clearly shows that when guns are outlawwed, only outlaws will carry them (and that includes terrorists). "

I love it when people say this. "If red-haired people were outlawed, then only outlaws would have red hair".

"Also, it is a relatively simple matter to construct your own if you know how. (one criminal did this to prevent being traced)"

So obviously every criminal ever will make a homemade gun! Yikes! Surely it's only a few small steps from that to homemade nuclear bombs? Will Rob finally crack and kill us all?

"tangos"

I know I'm getting old, but I've never heard this word used in any context outside of fizzy drinks. What are you talking about?

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Malnurtured Snay
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In Rainbow Six, when a bad-guy is killed, the computer says "Tango Down."

Tango = Code word for Bad Guy

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Sol System
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Because of course guns have made the West Bank the friendly and delightfully safe place to live it is today.
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