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Cartman
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Light doesn't move directly away from the center of a black hole, because the singularity does not emit any*.

*rays are enormously redshifted, rendering them optically invisible

[ August 14, 2002, 11:00: Message edited by: Colorful Cartman ]

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Sol System
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I think what is being asked is along these lines: if light isn't slowed down by gravity, then what happens to light that is flying straight up?

Well, consider a rocket on Earth. To leave the planet, that rocket has to accelerate to about 25,000 miles per hour.

But imagine the Earth was much denser and larger than it is. Or, conversely, imagine the rocket is much less powerful.

Gravity, at the surface, is pulling down at 32 feet per second squared. If you want to jump into the air, or move anything at all in that direction, you need to apply an acceleration greater than 32 f/s/s to it. So take our weak rocket. It's thrust is exactly 32 f/s/s. So what happens to the rocket? Nothing. That is, for as long as it is firing, it will not fall. But it cannot go anywhere. It is not, from the point of view of the surface of the earth, going anywhere. But it does have a speed.

In the same way, a black hole, at the event horizon, has an escape velocity of exactly lightspeed. A photon, released right at this boundary, aimed straight up, will still be traveling at c. But all this does is counter the gravitational pull of the hole. The photon can't get away from it. That's why it's a black hole. Beneath the event horizon, the gravitational pull is even greater, and light, along with everything else, spirals down into the singularity.

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Cartman
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Adding to the confusion, photons aren't factually influenced by gravity. They merely follow the shortest possible route through the fabric of spacetime - in other words, a straight line. This is counter-intuitive because the mind has great difficulty visualising more than three spacial dimensions. All black holes really do is distort the continuum so severely that the direction in which light travels gets warped beyond all recognition.

Massless particles == weird behavior.

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PsyLiam
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Wouldn't Chaos theory come into play?

Basically, something woul alter the rocket/light ray's speed or trajectory, even if it's only by the tinniest fraction of a miniscule percent. But that is all that is needed for the stalemate to be broken.

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Sol System
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Whether the hypothetical situation is possible or not isn't what's important, though. We're just talking about how the photon behaves.
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TSN
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"Wouldn't Chaos theory come into play?"

Is this the part where Daryus comes in and starts talking about butterflies?

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Moths, actually.
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TSN
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Obviously, my joke didn't go over as intended. That's what I get for making a reference to something about five people understand...
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Cartman
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Six.

(yet another obscure reference)

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PsyLiam
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I thought you were going for some sort of "A butterfly flaps its wings in Australia and causes a thunderstorm in Miami" sort of thing.

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TSN
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I was. But, more specifically, I was going for the Daryus == Jeff Goldblum == Dr. Ian Malcolm == explaining chaos theory in Jurassic Park.
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Ritten
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Daryus == Jeff Goldblum

That does put a new spin on things...

So, if light slows enough, then it won't be long beofre we can break that barrier... or start moving slower ourselves...

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Sol System
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No.
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quote:

Daryus == Jeff Goldblum

Daryus can't equal Jeff Goldbloom, for Daryus is the Curry God, and all the Jeff Goldblooms in the universe can't come close.

[Cool]

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It's an old joke...
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