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Just rewatched "Relativity," and made a few observations.
First, the span of time: The Relativity and her crew are supposed to be from 500 years in Janeway's future. Now, 500 years is a long time. A lot of things can happen in 500 years. (I could ramble on about this, but instead I'll make my point here.) However, we are shown a Starfleet crew that bears a remarkable resemblance to the contemporary crew of the 24th century. The uniforms are markedly similar in departmental colors & styles, the ranking insignia is the same, the crew is made up almost entirely of humans or aliens which look exactly like humans, etc. Apart from the fact that Starfleet now uses timeships instead of starships, there is nary a difference between the two eras. How believable is this?
There was one marked difference I found, though. When Braxton gets hit by a 24th century phaser, aside from grunting and stepping back a few feet, the beam has no real affect on him. And the beam does hit him; it's not like he had a personal force field or something. Have humans evolved over the past 500 years to the point where phaser blasts can't harm them?
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Perhaps something with the resistance of flesh. Arturis handled the phaserblast pretty well too, in "Hope and Fear.
I don't think all ships of 29th century UFP are timeships, but they've added it to the inventory, yes.
You'd think they'd changed fashion, but perhaps the most efficient dresscodes for the navy/spaceforce were established already in the early 2200's. Or it could be the leaders and admirals of 2800 are really conservative and grumpy, and the next voy-ep about the 2800's will be the great garment-insurrection!!
I need a drink.
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Well, Arturis was an alien, so he really doesn't count...
My point was that the depiction of Starfleet and the Federation changed very little in five centuries. How stupid would the Armed Forces look if they were to wear uniforms from 1776, when the U.S. was founded? And that was only 225 years ago, not 500!
The only theory I can come up with is the "Time Lord" theory. In Doctor Who, it was stated that once the Gallifreyans discovered time travel and became the Time Lords, their society stagnated because of it. Maybe Starfleet discovers time travel only a relatively short time after the 24th century, and the same thing happens.
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The writers made a mistake putting it 500 years in the future. Anyway, there just wouldn't be enough scope in one episode to convey the difference of the two times.
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29th Century Federation-Observations Federation's size:Twice as big as current Federation. Fleet Size:Twice the size of current fleet. Romulans & Klingons:??? Members of Federation????? Warp speeds:Speeds higher then Warp 9.982 now possible and ships now capable of Warp 9.99999 Borg: Seem to have been defeated by this time Cardassians: ??? Members of Federation??? Dominion: ??? Members of Federation??? Explored space size:Up to 30,000 light years from Earth Breen:??? Members of Federation??? Ferengi:??? Members of Federation???
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You do realise of course that more than half of those points were enclosed by school-girl style question marks. You're probably a bit too trigger happy UM ....
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quote:The easy answer is that Voyager feels its fans are incredibly stupid and unless they didn't make it familiar we wouldn't recognize it.
More evidence of this was when Starfleet Command was shown to be in pristine condition in "Pathfinder" even though it had been totally blown away by the Breen not long before in DS9. I read in the Magazine that TPTB decided not to go with the DS9 continuity because they thought people who didn't watch DS9 wouldn't understand what happened.
First of all, I'm pretty sure that people who watch one Star Trek show most likely watch others. Also, mention was already made of the Dominion and the war in Voyager several times. And finally, I doubt that the buildings, even if they were rebuilt in a very short period of time, would look EXACTLY the same.
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Unless that building wasn't in San Francisco. Was it ever stated that it was? Considering they used the John Hancock Tower in Chicago as the basis, maybe it's there...or even that building, modified.
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That's bullshit. "They watch Voyager or DS9, not both. We'll fuck continuity up more on Voyager by saying DS9 didn't happen." I really think TPTB need to be fired and new ones hired.
I watch all 4 series. I know several people who watch both DS9 and Voyager.
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I second that motion. Lets pass out baseball bats, fly to California, and oust them ourselves.
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I agree that the sad truth is that the ep was set WAY to far into the future. It's so far ahead that it's hard to relate anything.
The Relativity timeline probably should've only been set 100 years or so in the future. Close enough to Voyager's time that the ship and crew might still be having some residual effects.
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I fail to see why extrapolating 375 years from now is OK, while extrapolating another 450 to 500 years from then isn't. The whole point of the show is that humanity isn't going to change much over the next few centuries.
I didn't find the Relativity-era Starfleet to be that related to Voyager-era. Different uniforms, different rank insignia, different ship decor. . . the return to pistol-shaped hand-weapons. . . and some unknown alien race as part of the crew (although wasn't it actually one of the aliens from "Waking Moments?").
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