btw---in another board someone remembers harry and tom in a shuttle and one of them said that voyager was built for combat--any idea what episode this is? or is it this guy who makes this claim have a faulty memory?
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The Borg WILL adapt. I don't think the 'death' of the Queen is a real problem for the Collective. She has been killed several times, and no harm was done to the Collective, apart from the drones very close to the Queen. But the "irst Contact" drones were alone, without any contact with the rest of the 24th century *or* 21st century Collective.
As for the destruction of Unamatrix One, I don't think it will stop the Borg. Just rename Unamatrix Two and your finished .
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Well the borg can't be GONE because of this, but I do think they'll need to go thorough some big change like when Lore took over, they will need to be put back together because they were obviously torn apart and separated from the queen and each other.
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I think they taked out Traswarp Hub and the surrounding structures instead of Unimatrix One
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I think they taked out Traswarp Hub and the surrounding structures instead of Unimatrix One
No, Admiral Janeway took her shuttle into the transwarp network itself, remember? She was going to Unimatrix One. They even re-used the establisher CGI shots from "Dark Frontier" and "Unimatrix Zero" to set the scene.
Besides, why would the Queen be at the Transwarp Hub? Wouldn't it make more sense for her to be in Unimatrix One?
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Regarding the apparent time travel problems, here's how I think it works...
There are two timelines here; we'll call them 'A' and 'B'. They diverge at the moment Vice Admiral Janeway's temporal rift opens in the "past".
Timeline A: No rift opens in 2378; Voyager takes until 2394 to get home; Janeway turns übersarcastic; she ceases to exist after 2404 when she leaves the timeline to go back to the past.
Timeline B: Rift opens; Vice Admiral Janeway, who lived most of her life in Timeline A, comes into existence in Timeline B in 2378; Vice Admiral Janeway dies; Voyager gets home right away.
So, in the Trek timeline, which follows Timeline B, Janeway never goes back in time. But Vice Admiral Janeway still exists in 2378, because she came into Timeline B from Timeline A. Every timeline is like a separate universe. So, the Vice Admiral Janeway who existed in 2378 actually came from 2404 in a separate universe.
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HELLO? ANYONE is invincible when you use TIME-TRAVEL- you just find out what happens, go back and use it against them, since you know what they're going to do-- and what's more you can use advanced technology from God-knows-when in the future, even using the enemy's own advances against them. It's impossible to beat someone who has that advantage of playing the time-game-- even morons like Bill & Ted saved the universe when they could do that.
Likewise, the Borg Queen stated that if she "killed Captain Janeway, then Admiral Janeway would never exist--" is the Borg Queen so temporally ignorant that she doesn't know an alternate timeline when she sees one? Admiral Janeway had ALREADY escaped from the Borg decades earlier; killing CAPTAIN Janeway would make no difference in the current timeline, since it was already altered-- Captain Janeway didn't need now need to wait 23 years and go back to do what she did all over again in an endless loop.
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This also reminds me of the episode with the general who destroyed enemies by erasing them from time-- and ended up so badly mucking up the space-time universe that he had to finally erase himself to put his life back to normal. But even compared to this, "Endgame" is so screwed up that Father Time is going to to need to send "temporal anomalies" experts of Dr. Who, Mr. Peabody, Rufus, and Back to the Future's "Doc" to fix THIS mess.
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It's quite possible the Borg know something interesting about temporal mechanics that we don't. Considering their apparent distaste for merely three-dimensional thinking, I wouldn't be surprised to learn they share the same distaste for fourth-dimensional thinking too.
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Isn't this more of an argument FOR the success of time-tampering? If you want to change your personal past, and you have a time machine to do it (a time machine that allows you to go to the past and return from there to an altered future, that is), there are a couple of possible outcomes:
-You fail, and return to your time. You are then likely to try again, unless your failure altered a single timeline and made your future life difficult. If you'd rather believe in branching infinite timelines, then the whole exercise is moot, since your machine can take you to your personal Xanadu regardless of what you do in the past - ONE of the infinite branches is going to be perfect in any case.
-You fail and perish. If you live in a single timeline, no prob: your past self will soon reach your timeframe and repeat the attempt. Depending on how much you believe in free will and random nutations, he may succeed where you failed. If he fails, again a successor is climbing up the timeline.
-You succeed. You can return to your timeframe now, using your time machine that allows this. You will not disappear in a Q-like flash or a puff of air. The trick here is in constructing this type of time machine - otherwise, every time you disembarked your timecraft within your lifetime, you would have to face youself, and if you wanted to enjoy the benefits of the trip alone, you would have to commit murder. Unless your time machine has the duplicate-avoidance feature, you are in deep trouble. Unless, of course, you enjoy the prospect of having yourself as a roommate.
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I think that if there was a post Voyager trek and they even addressed the issue of the future tech, they would just write it off by saying that Starfleet didn't want to mess with the timeline by using it--of course the doctor would still be wearing his holoemitter.
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Just for my own indulgence. An oversimplified time line would be like this? (Thanks to TSN)
Where the show we've been watching would now follow timeline 'B', and timeline 'A' would be world unto itself without Janeway (after 2404) and without 7of9 (a bleak timeline indeed).
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