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posted October 31, 2002 01:53 PM
i also see nothing fanboyish about it, with the exception of the Weyoun cameo.. and even that wasnt far fetched.. he is a rather common clone.
i do see snobby elitism about interpreting the events of a book you havent read as fanboyish. unexpected adventures will continue happening, even after the end of a series. the assumption that everyone on Bajor would sit down and have afternoon tea, with no outside interaction, for the rest of eternity since they were no longer the focus of a weekly series is what is dumb. the things that are happening ion the novels are pretty much the same kind of events that most of TNG and DS9 were about. Or do you think that filmed DS9 & TNG were fanboyish too? or do you just have no respect for Trek if it isnt filmed? i find Mission Gamma and even New Frontier far more entertaining that Enterprise or Voyager.
i think the new novels would be fanboyish is they received the new Annihilator-class U.S.S. Defiant NCC-74205-B as their ship of choice, equipped with 15 quantum torpedo tubes, transphasic ablative armor from the future,the ability to launch 60 fighter vessels and slipstream drive, commanded by a time traveling duplicate of Sisko who received optic blast power from the Prophets to fight the pah-wraiths. And then Khan emerges from the Mutara nebula after being thrown into a Genesis warp.
That would be fanboyish. Picking up threads from old stories that could be resolved in an interesting manner is actually a thing called 'good writing'.. hard to recognize these days, but there is some out there.
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posted October 31, 2002 03:11 PM
quote:Originally posted by CaptainMike XXIII: i think the new novels would be fanboyish is they received the new Annihilator-class U.S.S. Defiant NCC-74205-B as their ship of choice, equipped with 15 quantum torpedo tubes....the ability to launch 60 fighter vessels
posted October 31, 2002 03:34 PM
To be more fanboyish, it'd be an Akira refit. So that it has special this or special that. Most likely a sexy first officer who doesn't wear clothing.
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posted October 31, 2002 03:50 PM
i would watch a show that had a sexy first officer who wore no clothing. it could be on Showtime, with a TV-14 rating.
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quote:Originally posted by Sol System: Er, while I'm all up for the criticism and the mockery and, while we're at it, the implied self-hatred, I confess to not seeing how assassinations and orbs count as "fanboyish."
Well the orbs aren't... but having a Trill assassin and Having Shakaar Edon assassinated.
Oh and then I go on to read that Ro is INDEED in it!! WHAT!?! And The BORG. Gawd! Next we'll have Hugh (3rd of 5) Admiral Janeway and Captain Sulu (cause he's probably still not dead for some reason). Then we get a Shatner-novel cross-over and Along comes a 160 year-old McCoy and Spock with Sela and The Romulan Commander in some intergalactic menage a trois. Then In bursts Kirk with a Holographic Uhura who gets with The Doctor from Voyager who is the Ambassador to Kzin, where Neelix appears through an Iconian gateway while Deanna searches for her Mother in a Risan Sex-colony where she finds Jadzia alive and well with amnesia and no trill. Scotty and her are de facto husband and wife.
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posted October 31, 2002 08:12 PM
I realise what annoys me with it. Yes, it's great that they can keep the stories going but DS9 wasn't about having a token return of a character or race. They appeared for a Reason otherwise the producers wouldn't have dealt with the idea.
Having Ro Laren, and Kai Opaka and more Trill than you can poke a stick at is pretty silly - it's a big universe to play in. Why not choose another race and new characters. That wouldn't have been as bad but to put the assassination down to the CONSPIRACY ALIEN and now you're saying the BORG appear is just well... ugh. It's too far-fetched and too fanboyish. "Ooooh wouldn't it be cool if those alien parasites from Conspiracy returned!?! Or the BORG came and wooped some ass!?!"
I feel the best explanation for NO BORG - ANYWHERE - was given in the First DS9 novel "The Seige". The Wormhole was playing up... a cube followed a ship through it and was pulverised. The DS9 sensors only got a split second glimse of it before the ship was in little pieces. This would have told that collective to stay away from this 'anomaly' as it was not in their best interests to go through. Thus they never go near it again. Problem solved. No need for Borg to turn up on DS9.
Andrew
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posted November 01, 2002 01:39 AM
and you cite a Peter David novel.. FANBOYISH. the Borg mention in 'The Siege' was the most bizarre fanboyish moment of the entire novel series, as is most of David's other work.
FYI, the Borg went nowhere near the wromhole or Bajor. they were crashed in the Gamma Quadrant. Like i said, it was a pretty straight plot lift from I, Borg: They found Borg in trouble, they had to take pains over what to do about it. .. you are hardly in a position to condemn it.. you didnt even read the book. .. It wasnt a fanboyish THREE CUBEz DESTROY DEEP SPAEC 7 AND THEN THE DEFINAT HAS TO BLAST THEM WIHT TEH QUANTOPRS. Thats Peter David-ish. (And, yes, i love David's novels even though they are kind of retarded like that at times)
BTW, I hate when the novel series introduces far fetched new races that have nothing to do with the actual Trek universe. I prefer books like these that take concepts that were misused, or underused, and utilize them. I'd much rather see a little more internal conflict on Bajor and some Cardassian problems and clarification of what the Trill are all about, than to have the Yuuzhan Vong come in and start eating people.
Instead of having another retort about whether or not the books suck or not, i suggest you read the books or drop the subject, because your commenting about something you know very little about.
"UUUUUGHHHHHH! WAY TOO FANBOYISH ('wouldn't it be cool if those aliens from Conspiracy came back!?!')"
Well, considering that the "Conspiracy" aliens were intended to return from the time the episode was originally written, I guess that was written by fanboys, too, eh?
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quote:Originally posted by CaptainMike XXIII: Instead of having another retort about whether or not the books suck or not, i suggest you read the books or drop the subject, because your commenting about something you know very little about.
Hey Mike... eat me.
Um, maybe the term "FANBOY" was bandied about a little carelessly, but you know what I mean. Ro Laren, Kai Opaka, The Borg, the Conspiracy Aliens, Trill Assassins, Shakaar dead, etc. etc. ALL turning up in the one (or few) books - It's NOT VERY REALISTIC. Or true to DS9.
The desperation that appears in a poster when they have to attack the 'person'.
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posted November 02, 2002 12:33 AM
and I think its perfectly realistic.
like I said, until you read it, you're just criticising something you know nothing about. And I didnt attack you.. i suggested that you look into what you are so vehemently arguing, because its obvious you dont know jack about some of the things you said. its hypocritical
I don't criticise Andromeda, because I've never watched a single second of it. I have no idea what the show actually looks like onscreen. it would be preposterous for me to follow the shows fans around and beat them about the head with my thoughts on a show i've never watched.
it would make me a big asshole, no?
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quote:Having Ro Laren, and Kai Opaka and more Trill than you can poke a stick at is pretty silly - it's a big universe to play in. Why not choose another race and new characters.
Because it's a FRICKIN' DEEP SPACE NINE book, perhaps? Hello, McFly! NOT A NEW SERIES! Now, what characters and races figure prominently in DS9? SURPRISE!
1. Ro Laren is a major new character in the DS9 relaunch. She's Odo's replacement. She's also a Bajoran, which makes it apropos to have her on a Bajoran-run station. There's nothing fanboyish about it.
2. Opaka is a Bajoran. Her reappearance ties up a loose end from early DS9 days.
3. The Conspiracy aliens are another 'loose end.'
4. Tying up loose ends is hardly fanboy material.
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posted November 02, 2002 04:38 AM
Actually, I'd argue that loose-end tying is an almost exclusively fanboyish pursuit. Which I love, being a fanboy. But, yeah.
And Ro should probably be dead.
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