quote:Originally posted by The Red Admiral: I've got a ton of mags going way back before DS9, and I remember a lot of the rumour-mongering flying around. It would indeed be interesting to recall them. I must dig around and see if I can unearth them...
Hey that would be GREAT! Red... tell us what you find... maybe we could do a joint effort thingy!
It's really quite funny reading all those rumours and early ideas and what was to have been - and comparing it to what we know now.
Andrew
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As for La Genevieve, think about it. She thought the character should really agonise about ordering the Array destroyed; as Mulgrew played the role, only once did she ever feel bad about it and that was in "Night" five years later. Bujold's idea might have given us a captain we could actually care about and like, instead of the annoying madwoman we had to put up with for all that time. Rather than being constantly, irritatingly right all the time, and always getting on her moral high horse, a captain who had to face more of the hard choices Ransom did on the Equinox would have made for a better show.
YES! Exactly - it would have brought depth to the character, and maybe have spurned a whole different series of events - leading to the rest of the cast becoming more three dimensional. I.e. Chakotay might have had somewhere to go - being more the 'mad-woman' you know - more Maquis - fight for the cause - damn the consequences??
Andrew
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Before we get too carried away with this, one might also consider that we already have a "Captain" character that does over-react intoversively (sp?) and could be considered a "wimp."
That would be Archer, and if I recall, the feedback to his agonising over the destroyed colony in "Shockwave" was mostly negative. In a way, seeing how this new series unfolds with a weaker captain may not be too bad a comparison to Voyager. It has much of the same behind the scenes people, writers, etc.......and a similarly colourless cast. (Think about characters with "character" re: DS9 and then try the same with Voy)
In any case, I'm getting off topic. A simple Captain change probably wouldn't have been a magic bullet solution to a show hampered not by its lack of skilled actors, but by a lack of writing and a tired concept
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quote:Originally posted by Mucus: and if I recall, the feedback to his agonising over the destroyed colony in "Shockwave" was mostly negative.
I wouldn't be so sure about that
quote: In a way, seeing how this new series unfolds with a weaker captain may not be too bad a comparison to Voyager. It has much of the same behind the scenes people, writers, etc.......and
Um, Enterprise producers and/or writers who were working back then = Berman, Braga, Lauritson, Howard, Yacobian, Farrell, Curry. Only Berman, Lauritson and Curry still fill roughly the same slot. Everyone else was well back in the Voyager chain of command.
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I'd be more interested in a captain that might feel the occasional doubt over what they were doing out there, who did at least have the courage to wonder if maybe the Vulcans were right after all.
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I think what we saw of Janeway is probably how a Starfleet captain would behave. She made a decision and showing doubt in that decision would only harm her crew and her command. What I would liked to see, is some private conversations... maybe between her and Tuvok, that revealed that kind of doubt.
I agree that the order to fire and that whole decision could've been played with a little more mixed emotion. But, I was referring to the actress' mental state, not the performance. The interview just made Bujold sound like a whacko. Who knows how accurate it was though.
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Didn't they release a photo of her as Janeway - does anyone have that around? And no - not the fake one of her head tacked on to Kate Mulgrew's standing infront of the Warp Core.
It'd be funny to get a glossy version and get her to sign it! Might be worth something!
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I once saw some footage shot with Mulgrew (on the Ocampa city set) with a very different hairstyle, not dissimilar to the bob-like one she had in later seasons. . . Apparently they thought her look wasn't right, and changed it (to that accursed long hair/wig thingy) requiring even further reshoots. . . ?
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Yes, I believe that is correct. There are alot of early photos of her with the later season-ish hairstyle. I don't know why in the world they gave her that hideous thing... it looked horrible.
I believe her name also got changed when Mulgrew got signed. It wasn't always Kathryn... but I can't remember what it was before.
quote:Hey that would be GREAT! Red... tell us what you find... maybe we could do a joint effort thingy
Yeh I'd be happy to collaborate, this a fun idea and will prove interesting, as I've already ploughed through a series of Mags from circa late '92, for DS9 (don't have much on it), but I have loads on Voyager including a fascinating cast of characters, pre Janeway, Chakotay et al. I'll post something later, and probably put up a page for it on my site.
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quote:I believe her name also got changed when Mulgrew got signed. It wasn't always Kathryn... but I can't remember what it was before.
It was Nicole, when the character was supposed to be played by Bujold.
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quote: Unnamed Lieutenant J.G. Human: previously disgraced Starfleet officer - most probably Nick Locarno from 'The First Duty', but if female, may be Sito Jaxo (same episode) (er, but she died in that episode...)
No, she didn't. She died in "Lower Decks", which was season 7, and almost certainly some time after this list was made.
Apart from that, very interesting.
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you know - more Maquis - fight for the cause - damn the consequences??
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