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The percentage of Voyager episodes that I liked/disliked was the complete reciprocal of the episodes of DS9 that I liked/disliked.
Those episodes/stories Phoenix mentioned, such as the Hirogen stuff, I liked; the fact that, too, the Hirogen got so far ahead of the Voyager (and had time to have a well established training station) by the time of "Flesh and Blood" was a reason why I didn't like the series. As much as I wanted to try to like it, it just had no definitive direction to it.
"Endgame" could have been a lot better, if it didn't piss so many of the Starfleet morals out the perverbial window. Janeway travels back in time, rewrites the timeline, equipped Voyager with a type of armor and other technologies that would have made Gene roll in his grave (if one existed) and for it, GOT promoted! Starfleet didn't send her back in time, she was on a USS Phoenix/Captain Maxwell-type vendetta because life wasn't going her way, true no one within that timeline will know, but the temporal prime directive seems to have something otherwise to say about that. Everything that that episode accomplished seemed to go against everything the Trek philosophy had established up to that point. It was for this, and the many many other points throughout, that the illogic of the series itself was what really fucked it up...
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I liked the fact that Voyager got home because of Janeway, demonstrating that her determination to get her crew home really was that, and not just something to get Chakotay off her back.
I certainly preferred it to what they could have done - "oh look there's a random wormhole that drops us in Sector 001, how convenient" or "Starfleet sent us a ship to get home, and this time it's for real".
And it would appear from Nemesis that the uber-tech has been hushed up by Temporal Investigations (although they do seem to have perfected the tech from Enterprise which allows many decks inside a single shuttle and stuck it in the Enterprise E).
EDIT: Having read this, I would like to revoke all support I showed for Enterprise in my previous post.
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My opinion about Voyager is that the bad episode/good episode ratio is far worse than that of TNG/DS9 and even TOS.
When I think about it, I can count the episodes I really like in VOY with two hands. On the other series it's just the other way round. Most episodes of VOY were just annoying or boring. So much of what we had seen already, and considering that this series was supposed to be really different, what with the "being lost" premise and all.
Come on, read Star Trek Series ? over in the Creativity Section and you will find far more enjoyment than with all of the 7 seasons of VOY.
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quote:Originally posted by Futurama Guy: Those episodes/stories Phoenix mentioned, such as the Hirogen stuff, I liked; the fact that, too, the Hirogen got so far ahead of the Voyager (and had time to have a well established training station) by the time of "Flesh and Blood" was a reason why I didn't like the series. As much as I wanted to try to like it, it just had no definitive direction to it.
"Endgame" could have been a lot better, if it didn't piss so many of the Starfleet morals out the perverbial window. Janeway travels back in time, rewrites the timeline, equipped Voyager with a type of armor and other technologies that would have made Gene roll in his grave (if one existed) and for it, GOT promoted! Starfleet didn't send her back in time, she was on a USS Phoenix/Captain Maxwell-type vendetta because life wasn't going her way, true no one within that timeline will know, but the temporal prime directive seems to have something otherwise to say about that. Everything that that episode accomplished seemed to go against everything the Trek philosophy had established up to that point. It was for this, and the many many other points throughout, that the illogic of the series itself was what really fucked it up...
y'know, the Janeway that got promoted didn't actually go renegade and break the temporal time directive.. her future self did. Janeway got home because a future version of her lost her marbles and came back and made it happen.. the same thing happened in that DS9 ep where the future Odo sacrificed the whole colony of the descendants of the Defiant crew in order to make the Defiant not crash.. one can hardly be held responsible for future crimes that now wont happen (unless youre Braxton of course).
of course the DS9 ep handled the morals in a more tangible manner.. Kira and Odo both have to live with the fact that their relationship is possible because of the misdeed of the future self of Odo.. thought provoking, and exactly the kind of story Gene would endorse.
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DS9 left passing moral judgement to you.
VOY, OTOH, rammed its ethics down your throat.
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Yeah! It's like those medical dramas that aren't written by doctor's. They're shit!
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