I read somewhere (perhaps here) that any flaws in "Flashback" can be attributed to the nature of the virus in Tuvok's mind - he may have been unconciously combining memories of two different events - Valtane (as evidenced by Star Trek VI) shouldn't have died until later, and by saying "Oh, silly mind-sick Tuvok", you can overcome the inconsistencies as a mingling of memories.
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Don't they mess up his rank, too? I always thought that in ST VI, he was suppossed to be first officer, and the novelisation (based on the script) bears that out. But in "Flashack", he's just a common or garden bridge officer, isn't he?
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I thought Rand was always supposed to be the first officer... mainly because she was a more-established character than the random guy at the science station, for story purposes, rather than just a cameo where she got Uhura's job.
"They're Rand and Valtane! They're Rand and Valtane! One once got fired..."
*BLAM!*
Uh... nevermind.
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Going by Star Trek VI, since "Flashback" is all f-ed up. Lt. j.g. Rand is a Communications Officer, and wears the same Sciences grey as Uhura, Chekov... and Lt. Cmdr. Valtane, who seems to be a Science Officer. I don't think either of them are department heads, but they could be. There were enough other uniform errors in that movie that I don't have any problem imagining they forgot Fletcher's system through II, III, and IV...
In front of Sulu are the Helmsman, Lt. Cmdr. Lojur, and an unnamed Command-division Lieutenant sitting at Navigation (which is wierd -- Navigation is part of the Science division and should be grey). From this there is not enough evidence to determine if one of these is Sulu's XO, or if the First Officer was on another shift entirely, or even simply off the bridge.
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quote: There is precedent. Sisko changed into a TNG style uniform when he went to Earth in "Homecoming".
And in "The Emissary", Dax and Bashir disembark from a science vessel, and wear the normal Class A uniform. Later, they change to the Class B. And IIRC, (almost?) all visiting Starfleet crew wore Class A, while DS9 crew wore Class B.
Question is, why was the entire Voyager crew wearing Class B uniforms? Not too mention the complete uniform chaos in Generations: "Yeah, sure, if it's got some red and some black, it's a command uniform! Computer, generate random uniform!"
quote: There is precedent. Sisko changed into a TNG style uniform when he went to Earth in "Homecoming".
And in "The Emissary", Dax and Bashir disembark from a science vessel, and wear the normal Class A uniform. Later, they change to the Class B. And IIRC, (almost?) all visiting Starfleet crew wore Class A, while DS9 crew wore Class B.
Question is, why was the entire Voyager crew wearing Class B uniforms? Not too mention the complete uniform chaos in Generations: "Yeah, sure, if it's got some red and some black, it's a command uniform! Computer, generate random uniform!"
IIRC Sisko wasn't visiting Earth, he was taking up a new posting at Starfleet security, so his uniform change makes a little more sense.
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Has anyone here lived on a military base or served on a vessel where you've got (for simplicity's sake) two uniforms, one to wear when you're in a formal office setting and one to wear for normal grunge duty? I've seen it at work, so I don't have any problem seeing it at work in Trek.
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Maybe, but that doesn't quite seem to make sense with regards to Star Trek. How was Voyager and the Enterprise-D different?
Sisko wasn't given a permenant (cough) position at Starfleet security until after he'd arrived on Earth, so he must have just changed uniforms to look smarter.
Personally, I think that the captain of a ship/starbase/whatever got to chose which of the two uniforms his crew wore. And Picard, being a bit of a stick in the mud, made his crew stick to the more formal wear. At least until Generations, by which point he'd obviously started smoking a lot of dope and probably said, "Yeah, Will, wear whatever you want", completely missing that Will was asking him out. Or something. So some people changed, and some didn't.
But this doesn't really apply to the Bashir-changing issue, because it's obvious to everyone who isn't Peregrinus that the FC uniforms were a replacement for both the class-A and class-B uniforms. Therefore there'd be no reason for him to change into his out-of-date uniform when he had the new one in his closet.
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The Enterprise seemed to be acting in a very flagshippy manner up until Generations. Voyager started out by going into a nasty region of local space to try and dig out Federation renegades who didn't want to be dug out, and then spent the next seven years on their own and constantly getting the stuffing whacked out of them.
I don't find it odd that some higher-profile ships maintained a certain formality while others are entirely shirtsleeve. My closest friend at the last base I lived on was an EMT for the on-base hospital. In the two years I was there, I never saw him on duty in anything other than his BDUs.
I also find it entirely likely that the "fatigues" weren't considered a viable alternative duty uniform until the TNG scrubs gave way to the DS9 style. Nor do I find any problem with Starfleet going through a war and its aftermath in their "get dirty" uniforms. I didn't see a whole lot of class A's in Desert Storm.
In one of my odd moments of inspiration while I was rewriting the Nemesis script, I drafted a brief scene in Picard's quarters where he's putting away his dress uniform jacket, pauses at his old class A jacket, sighs, and says "I'm looking forward to being able to pull this out again...".
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P.S. I'd like to apologize for going of of faulty info above. The Excelsior Navigator was a grey-shirted Commander, not a white-shirted Lieutenant. Someone mixed up the actors from Star Trek VI and "Flashback" in the only sites where I could find pics.
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Best Uniform: Picard's jacketed version from "Darmok". Leather shoulders and all.
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quote:Originally posted by Malnurtured Snay: Re: Valtane
I read somewhere (perhaps here) that any flaws in "Flashback" can be attributed to the nature of the virus in Tuvok's mind - he may have been unconciously combining memories of two different events - Valtane (as evidenced by Star Trek VI) shouldn't have died until later, and by saying "Oh, silly mind-sick Tuvok", you can overcome the inconsistencies as a mingling of memories.
Works for me.
So if we assume Voyager's writers all had some kind of virus, the series will actually be good?
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