Will post more once I've actually looked it, but so far I've just got the first disc in the player. The Menu is the Klingon courtroom.
Disc 1 had a cool pic of Spacedock on it. Disc 2, inexplicably, has an unside down image of the Enterprise B of it...go figure.
Looking forward the the Nick Meyer & screenwriter Denny Martin Flynn. I found Meyer's commentary track on TWOK SE one of the best things about that disc.
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I had to hunt all over Best Buy for it today ... they hadn't put it on the shelves, found it on their cart pushed into the computer system. While I was there, took advantage of their offer and picked up Futurama Season One for $20.
Screw the Akira, I want a Planet Express starship!
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Federationmodels.com sells a very nice model version.
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Okay, so I watched the film and the extras. Here's my quick rundown:
FILM. This is essentially the version we've seen for years, including the extra scenes not in the original theatrical release (Operation Retrieve, Spock, Scotty and Valeris in the torpedo bay, the revelation that the "Klingon" assassin is Colonet West).
If you compare this film to the previous Trek SEs you'll notice the size of the letterbox bars is smaller. This is due to the format Meyer shot on, which is a slightly different aspect ratio to the other films.
Meyer did do a few small edits, though. The ones I noticed are: 1. Added a wide shot of the officer's mess at the start of the scene where Scotty discovers the uniforms. 2. In the scene where Kirk asks Valeris for the names of the conspiritors, a few closeups of Kirk and McCoy replace wider shots in the previous edits. 3. During the mindmeld, each time a conspiritor's name is given, a flash cut of them appears with a slight music sting.
That's all I noticed the first time through.
Commentary While better than most, it's not quite as good as the one on TWOK. It's more conversational between Meyer and writer Denny Martin Flynn. Not as much meat on the creative choices as on the TWOK commentary.
Extras Again, better than most, but never the stuff you want. --The Perils of Peacemaking mini documentary --Six little featurettes under the topic Movie Making. --Various odds and ends of moderate interest under the subject of The Star Trek Universe --A Farewell, including a tribute to the late De Kelly and interviews made with the cast at the time of the shooting --Promotional materials that consist of two trailers and a 1991 convention presentation by Nick Meyer --Archives containing a set of production still and some storyboards
And a few comments on some of the above... --The tribute to DeForest Kelly was nice, pointing our just how much work he did before Star Trekt hat most fans are totally unaware of. --The Perils of Peacemaking -- in which the film's story is compared and contrasted with real world events -- was an interesting ideas, but I wish there'd been less about the film itself and more about the parallels. They could easily have included film clips to illustrate where a lot of the lines were borrowed from. --Penny's Toybox. A neat look into the archives to see some of the surviving props from the film. --Storyboards. What's with these effects guys who can't draw the Enterprise correctly? Fer Pete's sake, it's easy to draw (if you have any artistic ability)!
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quote:Originally posted by MrNeutron: --Storyboards. What's with these effects guys who can't draw the Enterprise correctly? Fer Pete's sake, it's easy to draw (if you have any artistic ability)!
For Example:
And what's worse was the USS Excelsior:
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quote:Originally posted by Mucus: Well, there's the obvious question of "Why should they?"
Because a) it gives a better idea of what the shot would actually look like if you draw the ship correctly, and b) considering the amount of "invented detail" on these drawings it's not like they're trying to hurry up and cheat it.
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This is the way it's always been done. In film school, I was taught the point of the storyboards is just to get an idea of where the camera's supposed to be, to get better ideas about compostition and movement than just the script. Thye're not MEANT to be detailed - instead, you hand it over to the FX guys and trust THEM to make the shot work properly.
It's not like drawing detailed drawings of Shatner or Nimoy talking would help any; again, it's the responsibility of the production crew to deliver on the basic idea. These days, it's a lot easier to create CGI storyboards, and even then they use only the most basic CG models that barely even keep the general shape.
quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: This is the way it's always been done. In film school, I was taught the point of the storyboards is just to get an idea of where the camera's supposed to be, to get better ideas about compostition and movement than just the script. Thye're not MEANT to be detailed - instead, you hand it over to the FX guys and trust THEM to make the shot work properly.
I'm quite aware of that. I was mostly kidding about the crappy Enterprise drawings, because, frankly, any competent sketch artist should be able to draw any Enterprise more or less accurately in less than a minute (hell, I can rough one out in 15 seconds). It's not exactly an intricate shape!
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$11.98 for me at Costco. The list price is indeed $14.99, which is cheaper than any other Trek DVD thus far. (Typically they have been between $20.00 and $25.00) I think the reason for the lower price is there was no insert included with the discs.
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You know, I forgot about this, but when I glanced in the Star Trek VI screenplay tonight I was reminded that the script DID address what is a blooper in the film: that the Excelsior is cataloguing gaseous anomolies, but then Uhura makes reference to the equipment for same.
41 INT. R DECK CORRIDOR
leaving the Enterprise Science Labs...
GORKON Your research laboratory is most impressive...
KIRK Starfleet's been charting and cataloging planetary atmospheres. All vessels are equipped with chemical analytic sensors...
GORKON This cannot be easy for you, Captain... (off the look) I would feel awkward if I had to give you a tour of OUR vessel...
The man's courtesy makes Kirk feel guilty...
KIRK Would you care to go topside?
CHANG Very much.
CHEKOV (pulling Kirk aside) Captain, you're not going to show them the bridge??
KIRK (clenched teeth) Full diplomatic courtesy, Mr. Chekov...
The party passes Uhura and a YOUNGER CREWMAN. YOUNGER CREWMAN Would you want your daughter to marry one?
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One of the things I didn't get watching Star Trek VI in the past is that the President of the Federation is supposed to be blind. This is revealed inthe commentary track. They explain that he puts on these weird glasses to look at the Operation Retreive charts in order to actually see them (a VISOR of sorts?). If you watch his performance carefully, you'll notice he doesn't really make eye contact with anyone. And at the end of the movie -- after Kirk tackles him -- you can sort of tell he's supposed to be blind by the way he moves when Kirk leaves him.
In the commentary I wish they'd discussed why they made that choice for the character.
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