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Originally posted by Bond, James Bond:
Paramount can never alter the conditions of what is and is not canon? I seem to remember a couple of Jeri Taylor novels ("Pathways" and "Mosaic") that were considered canon (at least until they were partially contradicted by later Voyager episodes).

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Y'know, I'm not convinced that they did change their mind. I don't think that "Pathways" and "Mosaic" were ever given proper "canon" status. It was more a case of Jeri Taylor saying "I think this is Janeway's backstory. I am executive producer. I will make it so that no episodes contradict these, and I will drop in bits from these novels in episodes. I rule". And in the same way, when she left Paramount didn't officially declare them "non canon". Rather, the person who was making sure that they were adhered to left, and no-one else cared about following them.[/QB]

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Originally posted by Bond, James Bond:
Yes, some of it does. TAS declares the rather TOS-era looking USS Bonaventure the first warp powered starship which is contradicted by both TOS and "First Contact" then later Captain Robert April's (first Captain of the Enterprise) wife Sarah April says she was the first doctor on a warp powered starship which not only contradicts the Bonaventure reference - because she would have been dead if she served on that ship - but also implies the NCC-1701 to be the first starship equipped with warp drive which we know to be untrue from TOS, "First Contact", Enterprise, and numerous other sources.

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None of those is irreconcilable. One would have to think creatively, but this is not untrue of any other inconsistency in any of the other series.

In "The Time Trap," Scotty could have meant the first STARFLEET vessel equipped with warp drive. Actually, Curt Danhauser did some analysis of the dialogue and the determined age of the Bonaventure works out as being pretty consistent with what ENT has established about the age of Starfleet. Annotations from my own shiplist:

There are several curiosities surrounding this vessel. In the episode, Scotty said �Look Captain, there�s the old Bonaventure! She was the first ship to have warp drive installed....� This would seem to contradict what has since been established about early space travel and the history of Earth spacecraft. There are several possible rationalizations, however, which might serve to remedy this discrepancy. For instance, Scotty could have been referring to the first Starfleet vessel to have warp drive installed.

If the Bonaventure was the first Starfleet vessel to be fitted with warp drive, this suggests a launch date sometime in the late 2130s, when Starfleet was supposedly founded. This is consistent with another line from the episode, where Spock says �The crew�s descendents may still be living....� Assuming �descendents� refers to at least grandchildren, (rather than immediate offspring) and taking into account the approximate probable lifespan of crewmembers, (likely no more than 90 or so years) it seems that the Bonaventure could have been lost not much later than 2150, and possibly earlier. Therefore a launch date in the 2130s is quite reasonable, especially allowing for the ship to be in service for at least some time prior to its loss.

In regards to Dr. April's line in "The Counter-Clock Incident," she said "As the first medical officer aboard a ship equipped with warp drive, I'm afraid I had to come up with new ideas all the time." Now, isn't it possible she was using First Medical Officer as her title, rather than
saying she was the doctor aboard the first ship with warp? This has been suggested before, works for me.

There is another conflict that is often mentioned, that in "The Magicks of Megas-Tu," the Enterprise supposedly visits the center of the galaxy, which would be inconsistent with Star Trek V. However, upon watching this episode, I find this one quite easy to debunk, requiring perhaps even less mental exercise than the above.

They are approaching the center of the galaxy when a "matter-energy whirlwind" siezes the ship and blows it off course. (This itself could be a manifestation of the Great Barrier mentioned in TFF.) When they recover, Spock says that "...navigational coordinates mean very little here...my readings indicate that we are not in time and space as we understand it." The subspace radio and ship's chronometer become nonfunctional, and Spock further tells that "the natural laws of our universe don't operate here." In short, they are in some parallel dimension or universe. (An occurrence that happened often enough in TOS and elsewhere.) Thus, it is apparent that they are NOT in fact at the center of our galaxy. And that is simply based on the dialogue of the episode, even without any further speculation.

Needless to say, this speaks nothing as to the innate silliness of even being able to reach the center of the galaxy in any reasonable span of time with warp drive alone, but that of course is equally problematic in TFF...

Ok. Any other conflicts in need of resolving?

-MMoM

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Ensign Galloway is seen in an episode of TOS after he's been killed

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