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Gaseous Anomaly
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Bernd: yeah, Riker said that one could see Lake Armstrong, along with Tycho City and New Berlin on a clear day. Well I can't, and I've been straining for days.-;

I still think Venus is a viable planet for terraforming to be used on, as it has about the right mass and location for a sustainable ecosystem. Once the terraformers had gotten rid of the mainly-CO2 atmosphere and replaced it with something more useful to life as we know it, why wouldn't life thrive upon it's once-arid surface?

I once read that an astronaut landing on the surface of Venus would be simultaneously suffocated (CO2 atmosphere), flattened (by the atmospheric pressure) and roasted (by the insane +650K temperature that the atmosphere helps maintain). His remains would then be disintegrated by the ferocious lightening that scars Venus' surface, and lightening comes frome where? That's right. The Atomsphere.

IMO (not a humble one, mind), changing the atmosphere would be high on my list of priorities if I were terraforming any planet.

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Sol System
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The dreaded Atomsphere! Secret weapon of the mad Dr. Rotofski!

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The moon cities... I think are REALLY REALLY new...

basically the last time we saw the moon was "BOBW" and they weren't there...

they weren't there in Star Trek V - either...

seriously - I reckon they are new projects - maybe even divised by Sisko and co. during his tenure overseaing the orbital habitats...

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Hi! Mind if I butt in?

Regarding terraforming of the Moon: the level of difficulty of giving the Moon an athmosphere that
could maintain bodies of liquid water is, well, incredibly high. Thus, I'd prefer to think that
"Lake Armstrong" as mentioned by Riker has nothing
to do with open water. After all, the Moon has
plenty of seas, oceans, bays... By Riker's time,
there could be one more basalt formation named
Lake Armstrong, perhaps marking the spot where a
big nuclear or antimatter warhead or a kinetic-
energy projectile hit during the last war. The
"lake" of volcanic origin could be one of the most
easily discernible things on lunar surface in 2373,
and enough to make our satellite look different
from the one Cochrane was used to seeing. There
might be other such impact marks as well (but
there aren't any parklands or bodies of water
visible when we see the Moon in, say, STV).

And as far as colonizing Mars is concerned:
perhaps humans visited Mars before WWIII and
found it uninteresting to the extreme. No colonies
were established before the war. And when warp
drive opened the skies for human exploration,
nothing could have interested the explorers less
than a nearby rathole that wasn't even class M.
Using warpships, humans could probably locate
planets which could be colonized simply by sending
over a bunch of people no better equipped than
the settlers of the American west - but settling
Mars would have required constant supply flights
for such simple things as water or nitrogen!

The availability of class M planets would explain
why humans neither need nor seem to be eager to terraform non-earthlike planets. The desire to
protect native life would be secondary, since
life is so abundant in the Trek galaxy that it
has little intrinsic value.


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Sol System
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The Timo? Of the last name I couldn't possibly spell and rastech fame?

Welcome.

Regarding Lake Armstrong: While terraforming the entire Moon is not a logical task to undertake, it would be relatively simple to dome off a large section, say a crater, and terraform the area underneath.

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And, if one of these domes is really huge, it could have a lake in it that would be discernable from Earth. But the other explanation is just as plausible (if not more so).

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Gaseous Anomaly
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Andy: the lunar habitats may have been on the opposite side of the moon.

And I thought Sisko was just thinking of leaving Starfleet and construct orbital habitats after Wolf 359 - as revelaed in 'Way of the Warrior'.

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"Fire, Fire!" said Mrs O'Dwyer.
"Where, where?" said Mrs O'Hare.
"Down in the town." said Mrs Brown.
"Lord bless us and save us"
said old Mrs Davis.
"I never knew a herring was a fish."


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AndrewR
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ahhhh, but Riker said "On a clear day... yadda yadda visible from Earth" - and the moon only faces the sames side to earth (well theres a TINY wobble - but not that much)

Oh and yeah, I thought maybe he didn't take up the job - I couldn't remember - so I put it in anyway

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