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I wonder who was/were the first species in the Borg Collective. I remember the Queen told Seven of Nine her original species, but I don't remember. lol And also, what does it take for a drone to become the Queen?
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See the thread in the Creativity forum called "A story in search of a middle" for more on this.
I personally don't think that a drone becomes a the Queen. I believe that the Queen is a consciousness that exists within the collective capable of being wherever it wants to be. It can take a body during an occurance of specific importance.
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Thank you, Aban! I was tearing my hair out looking for that thread!
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Does anyone know how the Borg started? In the episode "Dragon's Teeth" or something like that, one of the aliens mentioned that before he went into stasis, the Borg was in only several systems. So I guess the Borg is only about 900 years old, species-wide. Right? What do ya think?
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"Dragon's Teeth" certainly puts a bit of a limit on the Borg's backstory, unless we toss in some sort of catastrophe theory, ala the novel "Vendetta". (In which, if I recall correctly, the Borg have existed for thousands and thousands of years, but were stopped from overwhelming the galaxy by the ancient Iconians. Or was it the Preservers? Anyway...)
I have my own theories on the queen, which have been described here and will be, plug plug, on my upcoming Borg page.
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Then again, more than one character of the shows may be ignorant or lying. People who promote "ancient" Borg are limited to Q (who might be trying to scare Picard) and Guinan (who comes from a long-lived race that might have authentic knowledge of the distant past, but perhaps hasn't personally seen much of the Borg and has only very recently lost her homeworld to the Collective). People who promote "recent" Collective are in turn limited to "Dragon's Teeth".
Who in "Teeth" said the Borg were nobodies 900 years ago? Seven and the deep-sleep people who claimed to have once controlled the universe? The latter are probably
a) blatantly lying and/or b) full of their own propaganda and/or c) ignorant of the actual might of the Borg.
The former... now, what *did* Seven say, exactly? I haven't seen the episode, and won't for a couple of years...
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Seven simply replied that history on the Borg from 900 years ago was fragmentary.
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I wouldn't be surprised. History is irrelevant. The Borg are concerned only with specific events and actions. Met this species, assimilated them. Met this species, assimilated them. Met this species, ignored them because they're not worth assimilating. Met this species, destroyed them. Met this species, assimilated them. And so forth.
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As is typical of my luck lately my local Voyager station pre-empted the episode in question for, ugh, a hockey game. What was the context of this discussion and can someone recall more specifically what was said?
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Dragon's Teeth spoilers $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ When the first of the Vardwuar woke up, and saw Seven, he mentioned that they had only assimilated a few species 900 years ago.
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Ok...In the "First Contact", the Borg queen told Data that (and I quote)..."brave words....I've heard that thousands and thousands of years ago, from thousands and thousands of species..." But in the "Dragon's Teeth", the stupid alien said that the Borg was a noboby only 900 years ago. Which or who can we believe?
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A 'spoiler' is when you post something about an episode you've seen that other people may not have seen. This includes people in other countries, mainly other than the North American continent - we tend to get the episodes a lot later. If in doubt, put our spoiler warning ($) in the thread title. Hell, put several!
I advise you to be VERY discretionary from now on. People round here will tell you how I respond to thoughtless idiots who can't think of other people. Assume that any ep less than a year old is rife with spoilable possibilities.
Do I sound harsh? Tough. We're a community here, and a community respects its individuals. If you don't, then you get your asses kicked. By me.
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