Topic: This is definetly the best episode of Enterprise I have seen! $$$$$$$
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This episode didn't end in the way I expected it to. Not by a long shot. I could have sworn that Archer and company would escape and find a way to get rid of the Andorians and such. I honestly didn't expect a spy center to actually be found at the Vulcan monestary. Maybe that was just me though. I also did not expect the Vulcans to sink so low as to hide what is more or less a military complex at a religous monestary. There is one thing I was disappointed about. When Reed first mentioned an Andorian ship I was sitting there saying, "Com'on!! Show me the ship! Don't leave me hanging!!!" They never did show what an Andorian vessel looked like. That left me a little bummed, but it didn't take that much away from this episode. All in all, IMHO, this was the best episode of Enterprise to date.
On another note, I asked in another, earlier thread why the Andorians were members of the Federation given their violent nature. I guess I now have a pretty good idea. I'm sure that after this episode, the Andorians probably have formed a strong trust for the Humans, despite the fact that they are allies with the Vulcans sense Archer ordered T'pol to give the Andorian commander a detailed scan of the spy facility under the monestary.
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Yess.. good show.
Didn't like: >The transporter. I still would love if this were a shuttle only kind of show. >Didnt get to see the Andorian ship >Westmore is an ass for adding forehead ridges to Andorians (im pretty sure all the antennae moving circuitry was on the back of their heads, he really doesnt have a technical excuse for doing much with their foreheads). Would it be so hard for him to believe there is a species in the Galaxy that has pristine foreheads like humans? First he did it to the Romulans, and now this. On the up side he did a damn good job of making serious looking Andorians.
And they all had white (or yellow-whitish) hair. Whoever said they had brown hair was wrong. But thanks for messing with our heads.
Liked: OOh so much.. Andorians, antennae, whatever.. This show adds a lot of credence to my 'The Vulcans arent being very logical at all' argument from Broken Bow.. they are smug and superior because they think they are right, and the fact of the matter is, they are wrong, in so many ways i cant begin to name. Hopefully T'Pol (who was not only angry at her human shipmates, but at her own people's foolishness) will be the one who puts the change in their attitudes towards humans into play.
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I have to share this. This was a quote from another forum I visit that was discussing this weeks episode!
"LOL Talk about unluckly for the Vulcans. If the Enterprise had beamed the Andorians up (only four of them) or had shot at them through the holes of the face instead of blowing it up, no one would have stumbled upon the scanner. Thank god for the explosive loving Brit guy! lol"
Thank god indeed! 3 cheers for the "Explosive Loving Brit Guy!!!"
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Well, we may not know what the andorian ships looked like but we do know their sensors are capable of. LOL
Lets see... 1. Failure to detect the vulcan array after the third very detailed search....especially when the door is behind a tapestry...[could be vulcan sensor jammers?] whatever...someone should have peeked at that particular wall more "closely" at least once.
2. Failure to spot the secret passageway in that room where the hostages are kept.
3. Failure to immediately detect tuckers transmission.
4. Failure to be alerted to reeds rescue team more quickly.
I do wonder what the andorians will do now, perhaps launch an attack on vulcan? I guess if they could they would have done so already. So, i think that particular vulcan array is there to stay.
quote:1. Failure to detect the vulcan array after the third very detailed search....especially when the door is behind a tapestry...[could be vulcan sensor jammers?] whatever...someone should have peeked at that particular wall more "closely" at least once.
I was under the impression that the Andorians had never made it *into* the catacombs to begin with ... that's why the Vulcans had the old transmitter. The catacombs were so well hidden, the Andorians never knew about them. Presumeably, the rocks either blocked sensors, or the facility had a device to give Andorian sensors a negative result: "Nope, nothing here, move along now."
quote:2. Failure to spot the secret passageway in that room where the hostages are kept.
Again, it seemed pretty well hidden.
quote:3. Failure to immediately detect tuckers transmission.
From ... where? Thier ship would be the logical choice, right? But there were only four Andorians, and they seemed to be in the monastary at all times -- meaning, no one was watching their ships' scanners or sensors. Of course, it makes sense that the Andorians had someone in their ship -- otherwise, their threat to Reed wouldn't have made much sense. Then again, they weren't expecting the Vulcans to have any sort of transmission technology, and they thought they destroyed the Enterprise crew's communicators.
quote:4. Failure to be alerted to reeds rescue team more quickly.
Looked to me like that one Andorian picked up Reed's team just about as soon as they materialized.
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I agree, "The Andorian Incident" was a pretty good episode. It's nice to see Lieutenant Reed get to do a bit more here. I guess Reed is the second or third officer of the ship? And, boy, does he like his toys. I liked Tucker's statement about knowing that Reed would bring down a heavily armed assault team. Mayweather's still getting gypped on screen time, though. They need to give him some work.
Those communicators are really fragile things, huh? I guess the body is made of plastic considering how easily the Andorian broke and shattered the communicators.
I still like the new Andorian makeup. The forehead piece, in my opinion, didn't detract from the overall scheme and was done with just the right amount of subtlety. It blended nicely into the hairline and antennae. The shade of blue I didn't like, though. I would have gone with a darker shade, but it still looked pretty good.
Yeah, overall, a pretty good and enjoyable episode. Not that much else to add, really.
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I thought this was a great episode. By far, one of Jeffery Combs' more violent roles.
We get to see, finally, a good working relationship between Archer and T'Pol only to have it blown by the Vulcan .. Tho' I think she was as shocked as Archer...
One thing... why did Archer take the beating to throw that relic down into the face in the wall? Why not... WALK UP THE STAIR TO SEE WHERE IT LED?
Reed got up there undetected enough to activate bombs..... I think the good captain could have saved himself a beating.
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Could be .. but I think .. if he would have sent Tucker to the 'three lights' first and found that it led to the anti-chamber .. he would have saved himself the shit-kickin'
quote:Originally posted by Malnurtured Snay: I was under the impression that the Andorians had never made it *into* the catacombs to begin with ... that's why the Vulcans had the old transmitter. The catacombs were so well hidden, the Andorians never knew about them. Presumeably, the rocks either blocked sensors, or the facility had a device to give Andorian sensors a negative result: "Nope, nothing here, move along now." [ October 31, 2001: Message edited by: Malnurtured Snay ]
I'm pretty sure the andorians are well aware of the catacombs[Archer specifically argued that the andorians seen the ancient relics before in that last room, so why can't humans] besides, if andorian sensors can't even detect the existance of the catacombs, then that pretty much add fire to my argumement that andorian sensors are crapola!
quote:Originally posted by Malnurtured Snay: Again, it seemed pretty well hidden. [ October 31, 2001: Message edited by: Malnurtured Snay ]
Uh...to the naked eye maybe, but this is the third very detailed search the andorians conducted of the temple....why would the andorians not specifically search for secret passageways is beyond me, do the andorians expect that the secret entrance to the sensor array is gonna have a huge neon sign pointing at it---saying: "secret passageway to sensor array here: turn relic counter clockwise to access" ? yeah right.
quote:Originally posted by Malnurtured Snay: From ... where? Thier ship would be the logical choice, right? But there were only four Andorians, and they seemed to be in the monastary at all times -- meaning, no one was watching their ships' scanners or sensors. Of course, it makes sense that the Andorians had someone in their ship -- otherwise, their threat to Reed wouldn't have made much sense. Then again, they weren't expecting the Vulcans to have any sort of transmission technology, and they thought they destroyed the Enterprise crew's communicators. [ October 31, 2001: Message edited by: Malnurtured Snay ]
huh?...why would the andorians need their ship when they have their own sensors equipment here in the temple, or some kind of console linked up to their ship's sensors? Its not a big point, but for a planet without technology, they should have found any kind of energy signature going from the surface to orbit a bit odd. "They weren't looking" is a lazy excuse for everything. They're idiots or their sensor tech suck.
quote:Originally posted by Malnurtured Snay: Looked to me like that one Andorian picked up Reed's team just about as soon as they materialized. [ October 31, 2001: Message edited by: Malnurtured Snay ]
no...they detected an energy pattern, then allowed reed's team to basically get within feet of them behind the wall before their fancy tech spotted human life signs and then took even longer to actualy pinpoint where they are. Lets see how long that took, reed's team comes in, reed's team goes behind wall, reed's team make their way through dark catacombs for the first time, spots target destination, reed set grenade charges right on top of andorians. hahahahahahaha
There is no denying the fact that andorian sensor tech is less than stellar or the andorians are incompetant. This should explain why the Andorians just don't invade Vulcan regardless.
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[ November 01, 2001: Message edited by: TheF0rce ]
lol"
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