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Aban Rune
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I believe that eventually, the Borg would adapt to projectile weapons as well as they have to directed energy weapons. The reason Picard was so successful with the Tommy gun is because the Borg were not familiar with that technology. Most of the species they have assimilated have been advanced species who probably use energy weapons of some sort.

As far as destroying the ship, it seems like they were suggesting that the spot Picard targeted was simply a vulnerable spot in the hull. Some kind of blindspot or something. Data said there didn't appear to be anything important about that spot but it was vulnerable none the less.

I believe that Picard probably had residual Borg tech in his body. I don't believe the nano-probes were used in Picard's assimilation since the Queen wanted a different kind of drone. But even so, the Doctor on Voy had to come up with a whole new way of extracting the tech from the lovely 7 and for neutralizing nano-probes. If Crusher had gotten everything out, you'd think the Doctor would've known about that.

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Fabrux
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Does everyone ignore my posts or something?

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The reason I think he was consciously waiting for a particular moment during the battle was his few-second pause before saying "Fire". In those seconds we saw at least two ships get blasted, killing their crews!
I don't think Picard would add a dramatic pause at such high cost; ergo, he was waiting for a key re-routing of power or something on the cube.

P.S. No we're not ignoring you Fabrux.

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Fabrux
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Good. I was beginning to get that impression

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A. Dax: Yes, that's a good point about not wanting to damage the prospective asimilee (?), but why do they have to be just walk up and grab? Why can't they immobilize at long range somehow, such as with phasers on stun, gases, or a longer range version of the neck buzzer thingee? Or how about using nonlethal weapons now being researched like spreading sticky stuff on the floor (like roach motels), spraying a hardening foam, and lights and sounds to induce seizures, confusion, and nausea? These things might also work against the borg.

Your point suggests a possible weakness in the Borg approach: If their main strategy is to walk up and grab you (rather than shoot you at long range), you should have a lot of opportunities to kill them or stop them before they reach you, assuming your attack is not deflected. I suppose this is something like resisting arrest by the police (of course the police will kill you if you resist enough).

The Borg shielding may be something like the personal shielding in the Dune books. The shields in Dune can stop energy weapons, but can be penetrated by knives entering at a certain angle and speed. Any Dune fans that can elaborate?

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Sol System
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The Holtzmann effect deflects any object with a high enough kinetic energy. This translates into something like 3 cm per second, or so.

Sorry, Dune mode.

Anyway, why do the Borg walk up to you? Because they can. In the mind of the Borg, why waste the energy running after you? They'll get you eventually. Running is saved for species that are actually a threat.

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I think Sol's right on the mark here.

(I can't believe I'm agreeing with Sol! )

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Aban Rune
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Also, consider this. By using a slow, methodical, juggernaut approach (they just keep coming and coming) the Borg may lose a few expendable drones, but they also get to use up an enemies reserves and get to sample every form of attack they are able to throw at the drones. Once they've adapted to the attack, it is no longer a threat to them from anyone and can't be used again.

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Harry
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Ever heard this one?

StarTrek "The Borg" - The Lost Episodes

Picard: "Mr. LaForge, have you had any success with your attempts at finding a weakness in the Borg? And Mr. Data, have you been able to access their command pathways?"

Geordi: "Yes, Captain. In fact, we found the answer by searching through our archives on late Twentieth-century computing technology." Geordi presses a key, and a logo appears on the computer screen.

Riker looks puzzled. "What the hell is 'Microsoft'?"

Data turns to answer. "Allow me to explain. We will send this program, for some reason called 'Windows', through the Borg command pathways. Once inside their root command unit, it will begin consuming system resources at an unstoppable rate."

Picard: "But the Borg have the ability to adapt. Won't they alter their processing systems to increase their storage capacity?"

Data: "Yes, Captain. But when 'Windows' detects this, it creates a new version of itself known as an 'upgrade'. The use of resources increases exponentially with each iteration. The Borg will not be able to adapt quickly enough. Eventually all of their processing ability will be taken over and none will be available for their normal operational functions."

Picard: "Excellent work. This is even better than that 'unsolvable geometric shape' idea."

15 Minutes Later...

Data: "Captain, we have successfully installed the 'Windows' in the Borg's command unit. As expected, it immediately consumed 85% of all available resources. However, we have not received any confirmation of the expected 'upgrade'."

Geordi: "Our scanners have picked up an increase in Borg storage and CPU capacity, but we still have no indication of an 'upgrade' to compensate for their increase."

Picard: "Data, scan the history banks again and determine if there is something we have missed."

Data: "Sir, I believe there is a reason for the failure in the 'upgrade'. Apparently the Borg have circumvented that part of the plan by not sending in their registration cards."

Riker: "Captain, we have no choice. Requesting permission to begin emergency escape sequence 3F ...."

Geordi, excited: "Wait, Captain! Their CPU capacity has suddenly dropped to 0% !"

Picard: "Data, what does your scanners show?"

Data, studying displays: "Apparently the Borg have found the internal 'Windows' module named 'Solitaire', and it has used up all available CPU capacity."

Picard: "Let's wait and see how long this 'Solitaire' can reduce their functionality."

Two Hours Pass...

Riker: "Geordi, what is the status of the Borg?"

Geordi: "As expected, the Borg are attempting to re-engineer to compensate for increased CPU and storage demands, but each time they successfully increase resources I have setup our closest deep space monitor beacon to transmit more 'Windows' modules from something called the 'Microsoft Fun-pack'.

Picard: "How much time will that buy us?"

Data: "Current Borg solution rates allow me to predicate an interest time span of 6 more hours."

Geordi: "Captain, another vessel has entered our sector."

Picard: "Identify."

Data: "It appears to have markings very similar to the 'Microsoft' logo..."

Over the speakers: "THIS IS ADMIRAL BILL GATES OF THE MICROSOFT FLAGSHIP MONOPOLY. WE HAVE POSITIVE CONFIRMATION OF UNREGISTERED SOFTWARE IN THIS SECTOR. SURRENDER ALL ASSETS AND WE CAN AVOID ANY TROUBLE. YOU HAVE 10 SECONDS TO COMPLY."

Data: "The alien ship has just opened its forward hatches and released thousands of humanoid-shaped objects."

Picard: "Magnify forward viewer on the alien craft!"

Riker: "My God, captain! Those are human beings floating straight toward the Borg ship - with no life support suits! How can they survive the tortures of deep space?!"

Data: "I don't believe that those are humans, sir. If you will look closer I believe you will see that they are carrying something recognized by twenty-first century man as doeskin leather briefcases, and wearing Armani suits."

Riker and Picard, together horrified: "Lawyers!!"

Geordi: "It can't be. All the Lawyers were rounded up and sent hurtling into the sun in 2017 during the Great Awakening."

Data: "True, but apparently some must have survived."

Riker: "They have surrounded the Borg ship and are covering it with all types of papers."

Data: "I believe that is known in ancient vernacular as 'red tape'. It often proves fatal."

Riker: "They're tearing the Borg to pieces!"

Picard: "Turn the monitors off, Data, I cant bear to watch. Even the Borg doesn't deserve such a gruesome death!"

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ROTFL!!!
I've read that little piece myself before, but it still gets me every time!

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Alshrim Dax
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Sol: I agree with you. Masao: They're not strategists !! In their twisted form of "Pure Logic", Resistance is Futile !! Which means .. They think you can't stop them. YOu fire at them, they are unharmed.

Humans fight at long range to avoid getting hurt.. that's the whole premise of long distance warfare ... Well.. Imagine if we felt no pain, and had no fear to die; and one mother-of-an-ego that said that nothing can appose us. And on top of that, all we have to do to defeat the enemy is touch them on the neck !! And on top of that ... Their weapons are useless against you.. I wouldn't waste the energy either.. and you have to remember that the Borg (in the word of 7 of 9 herself) strive for perfection and ultimate efficiency. They rule out all irrelevencies (like running after you) and perform the task at hand. They've assimilate entire worlds in this fashion. I think they think... why fix it if it ain't broke!

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Saltah'na
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Anyone remember TBofBW where Dr. Crusher suggests using a destructive breed of Naanites to cripple the Borg?

What do you think?

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Sol System
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It was a good idea, but I think that Borg nanotechnology would probably prove more then a match for that of the Federation.

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why don't the borg integrate the assimilation tubules in the interrior of their ships: walls,corridors...or make some kind of assimilation robots (entirely robotic, why waste drones?)...that way anyone who boards a cube,sphere,whatever would be almost instantly assimilated without any losses in the collective...

I'm not on their side...just wondering...

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Sol System
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I don't think that the Borg think in terms of wasting drones. They're just cells, after all, to be used as necessary.

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