Kren, I DO like your map - and yes, Krenim space should be WAY bigger - so I'll fix that one up -

and was Voyager passing smack bang through the middle of krenim space or on the outside edge? - it'll help in placing it - I think I'll have to go pull out YOH.

OK, reguarding past maps - I'm posting here a side view (this one is looking out from the centre of the galaxy - beyond ferengi space out to the galactic edge - the Federation is obscuring the Gorn) and here a top view (you'll have to turn this map if you want the quadrants perpendicular - you know what I mean)

now these are older maps - both of the alpha/beta quadrant - I did them on a 3d program I had access to at the time - but not for long - I'd love to have one now to do some more 3d work - it was basically an attempt to translate the map work to a 3d setting.

I know How you feel about the Rom/Klingon boarders - this 3d version - you may like a bit more - since they are apart from being side by side - above and below one another.

also - I'd like to have a bit more size on the Ferengi/Breen etc. but I couldn't tweek the picture - cause I didn't have the program long...

but the breen would be closer in too - not out there so far...

but - this is primarily a first attempt from a while back at a 3d map - and also - First of Two - whoes eyes hurt :P

Andrew

Remember comments are always welcome *grin*

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I for one don't like the size of the Federation relative to the others in Andrew's Map. In order for the Federation to be easily transverable, it's gotta be a lot like an octopus, with the arm-tip to arm-tip distance at 8000ly but the core fairly small.

As for the Rom/Klingon thing... isn't is possible they're prety much stacked on top of one another? This sould explain how both of them share a border with the Cardies and the Federation.

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Wait, thought of another question. How the heck did Prometheus get over to where the large dots are on the map?! (the communications grid)

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about the Romulans and the Cardassians sharing a boarder - I find this iffy

The Romulans and the Federation is VERY CLOSE TOGETHER - look at 'past tense' look at the Romulan wars, first contact was with Romulans before Klingons - first contact with the Cardassians was not long ago - definately after TOS, about 20 years ago...

I feel there is a LOT of 'neutral' territory between powers -

The federation has a lot of space - because it is a collective of races and their 'space' so they could theoretically fill in the 'neutral' space once they join the federation - cause no one could say otherwise...

but with the Romulans and Klingons - even though they might have been in space longer - they both and the cardassians - are made up of - so it seems fewer races than the federation - and theoretically devote a HEAP more amount of their population to the military etc.

I don't agree with the Romulan Cardassian boarder - i.e. that reference to In the Pale - i think - where the Dominion go in and out of Romulan territory without problems - It is easy to think that the Dominion is spread out through out neutral space between say the Bajorans Federation Klingons and Romulans - but the Klingons HAVE to be closer to the Bajor system than Romulas - because of the short travelling times we have witnessed in DS9 - and the ability to annex parts of Cardassia - and keep a hold of them - this wouldn't be easy if they were surrounded or with out supply lines

see: "House of Quark"
and "The Way of the Warrior"

the Romulans - have been out of the war for quite a while - they are closer to Earth and the Rigel systems - which we know - with Earth is a fair way away by warp

the Klingons AREN'T close - but their not as far as the Romulans...

but I'm repeating myself

also remember - the Klingons and the Federation STRADDLE the Alpha Beta quadrants where as the Romulans are basically in the Beta Quadrants

also about those hirogen dots - the capture was taken when the grid was forming - there were more dots and circles to appear

also I had to push the Fed etc up and the Kazon down etc. cause the whole circular grid wasn't visible.

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*Really wishes they could display in 3d*.

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