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When did the Klingon Empire become part of the Federation? When were they admitted to the Federation? I thought only an alliance was made with the Klingons in ST VI
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The Klingons haven't become part of the United Federation of Planets as of 2376, the current year in Voyager.
The timeline goes something like this:
2218: First contact b/w UFP and Klingon empire (Geordi says so in "First Contact" the TNG episode). Spock will refer to the ensuing hostilities as lasting for 75 years in 2293, suggesting there wasn't a real period of peaceful coexistence anywhere in between.
2242: UFP and KE battle at Donatu V.
2267: The "constant hostilities" flare into an abortive war that ends in the Organian Peace Treaty. This treaty is in force during some subsequent episodes of TOS, but is then forgotten. Since it was enforced by the noncorporeal beings of Organia, we can only assume that these beings disappeared, or lost interest.
2285: Klingon ambassador declares "There will be no peace as long as Kirk lives!"
2293: After the explosion of Praxis, Gorkon suggests peace talks and is assassinated. The assassins are caught, and negotiations begin for abolishing the Neutral Zone (the first time we even hear such a thing existed!). So-called Khitomer Accords are written at some point, and may refer to the meetings at Camp Khitomer where the assassins were caught in 2293.
2294: Kirk seems to die, thereby making peace possible.
2327: Picard graduates. Later, Wesley Crusher suggests this happened "before the Klingons joined the Federation", and Picard agrees (TNG "Samaritan Snare").
2344: The E-C is destroyed defending a Klingon world against Romulans. This is said to lead into greater trust between UFP and KE. Perhaps this is the "joining" Wesley spoke of?
2362: The last known raid of Klingon forces on UFP territory before TNG "Aquiel"
2366: Klingons from a long-duration deep-freeze mission return and have to be told the KE and the UFP are no longer at war with each other.
2368: Klingons have a civil war which compromises their UFP relations, but doesn't lead into a declaration of war or anything. The government gets pretty anti-UFP at this point, though, and refuses to acknowledge UFP assistance in the war.
2373: Klingons consider Cardassia compromised by Changelings and invade it, declaring end of alliance with the UFP in the process.
2374: Klingons rejoin the alliance. Later episodes refer to "Second Khitomer Accords" - perhaps they were signed here.
2376: KE gets hurt badly in the war, and the leader is changed from the anti-UFP Gowron to General Martok of unknown attitudes.
So at no point do we hear of an actual membership application being made by the Klingons. And peace treaties seem to be fleeting things to them, to be discarded at a moment's notice. Make out of that what you want - currently, it seems we cannot know the realities of the political situation between the KE and the UFP because of the inherent unpredictability.
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I must point out that though the Khitomer accords were actually signed in ST:VI, there may have been problems after that period of time, maybe with the implementation of the accords or some rogue splinter groups on both sides of the accord trying to stop the peace process. It is only after the destruction of the Ent-C that the peace process was written in stone.
Keep in mind that a Lieutenant in "Yesterday's Enterprise" mentions that they were negotiating a peace treaty around the time the Ent-C was destroyed. This must be in reference to the Khitomer Accords in ST:VI.
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Ya, snuck that one in there before me Fabrux. One would assume that seeing as there was a Romulan, there was going to be a Klingon Neutral Zone...
Wouldn't that place the Epsilon Station near the Klingon Neutral Zone... from "TMP"
Remember there was a DMZ between the Federation and The Cardassian Union - so maybe powers that can't get along establish a neutral zone of some sorts!?!
Wesley made that Comment in "Smaratin Snare"
Also it seemed that in Heart of Glory and the Riker on the Klingon ship episode - they were still thinking that the Klingons had joined the Federation!?!
I guess it wasn't really cleared up until "Sins of the Father"
If they WERE thinking the Klingons had joined the Federation in that Riker on Klingon Ship episode - this might account for Mendek?? Being a Benzite and in the Federation AND being involved in the Crew exchange program...
I still think that there are heaps of ships out there that are MAJORITY races... The Enterprise and Voyager seem to be majority human ships - where as the T'Kumbran and the Hera are majority Vulcan crewed ships... So it makes sense that there are Andorian mainly ships, Bolian mainly ships - Of course - the waste extraction systems would be better designed on those ships
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Personally, I'd put the Second Khitomer Accords earlier. Post Enterprise C, perhaps. Only because our one big mention of them, from Insurrection, talks about some specific issues they address, and I can't see Gowron willing to just sign a brand new treaty without even reading it, which is what he did on DS9.
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In 2344, Lt.Castillo of the E-C said that the UFP and KE were close to a peace treaty. So made be hostilities ended sometime just after the E-C was destroyed.
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Good point about Gowron's way of signing in the aftermath of the Dominion invasion. But that means that the 2nd Khitomer Accords probably were in force when the Voyager sailed out - thus making the tricobalt devices aboard her (gasp!) illegal!
During his reign, Gowron was probably unwilling to sign anything at all that would make concessions to the UFP. At first he had to solidify his position in the aftermath of the death of K'Mpec. Gowron was selected by a human arbiter - a possibly fatal beginning for his career if he subsequently thanked the humans by making concessions. Then came the civil war, further forcing Gowron to distance himself from the UFP. Then a brief respite, but not much, before Gowron went on warpath against the Cardassians to revigorate his army, and cut all ties to the UFP. It's a bit difficult to place the 2nd Khitomer Accords here. I'd suggest they were signed well before TNG. After "Yesterday's Enterprise" is of course a possibility.
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I'm going to have to rewatch Insurrection and pay extra close attention to that battle scene. As I recall, they continually refered to the Son'a weapons as fancy futuristic term subspace weapons. Perhaps it is only this specific kind of subspace weapon that is banned? Even if we ignore the tricobalts for a moment, phasers are essentially subspace weapons, constantly borrowing energy and shunting matter off and the like. I imagine that the actual treaty goes into mind-numbingly detailed specifics about what sorts of subspace altering devices are allowed, but people just tend to say "subspace weapons" when refering to it.
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Were tricobalts actually specifically identified as subspace weapons or are we basing this on the fact that their yield was measured in Cochranes?
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Okay, rewatched "Insurrection". The Second Khitomer Accord actually forbids the fielding of ISOLYTIC subspace weapons. Tricobalts need not fall into this specific category of subspace weapons, even if they do have a rather subspaceish nature.
In general, the Sona seemed more advanced than the Feds technologically - they had the secret of the spring-of-youth collector device, they had really big warships that moved with ease in the Briar Patch, they had the nifty flying drones. And they had the ability to improvise weapons on the run, Starfleet-style (the isolinear tags). One would think their isolytic weapons would also be cutting-edge tech. This would imply that the treaty forbidding them in the UFP sphere of influence would be a relatively recent one, and not date back to the days of ST6...
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