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Sol System
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If we can arrange to have Section 31 not actually be necessary to the story, why do we have to include them at all?

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Here's an idea:

What if Section 31 was working to PREVENT the assassinations from being carried out?

I mean, the disease they inflicted the Founders with was during the war ... I'd think the chance of peace with the Klingon Empire (not war!) would motivate them to do what possible to get that iniative through.

Just a thought.

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Indeed. The Section must have some sort of confidence in its predictive abilities, as was indicated by the actions against Romulans in "Inter Arma..." when the Dominion war wasn't showing signs of ending yet and the Romulans were still allies. Perhaps S31 masterminded the whole sequence of events, first blowing up Praxis (or conning the Romulans into doing that), then supporting both the assassination and Kirk's daring exposure of the conspiracy, all the time knowing that this would lead into the Klingons becoming allies.

The more realistic way to interpret things is, of course, that S31 does things to see what happens, and then says "of course, we knew this would happen, and wanted it in the first place"... Perhaps S31 blew up Praxis first (a safe move that would not directly endanger the Federation) and waited what the Klingons and the Fed warhawks would do. When the hawks played themselves into a corner with the assassination, S31 took advantage of that and arranged for Kirk to expose the whole conspiracy, thus gaining the trust of the Klingons. Had the hawks won, or had Gorkon survived and made peace with the Feds, S31 would have come up with a way to make the best possible use of that.

I cannot believe S31 would have maneuvered the Federation into a war deliberately. No matter how Col. West wanted to "clean the chronometers" of the Klingons, S31 must have known that a war with the still rather powerful Klingons would be very destructive to the UFP. Anything that weakens the UFP must be an antithesis of what S31 wants.

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Jeez, I'm starting to think that bringing up Section 31 possibilities with Colonel West was a bad idea. S31 obviously was around during this time, it was in the Federation Charter/Constitution. I'm just throwing in this S31-West possibility to give S31 some work during ST6. I didn't think it would be taken so seriously. I'll have to keep some of my wild theories to myself then.

Your post, Timo, sounds like the best that S31 offers. Manipulating people and changing the balance of power in the A&B Quadrants sounds like them. I like the part of S31 changing their attitude when events change.

'Yes, that *was* supposed to happen.'
'Praxis *cough* our fault. (replace *cough* with was or wasn't)'
'Everything is going according to plan.'

This makes for an interesting intelligence? division.

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Sol System
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I really, really, really hate pointless retcons.

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You know, you guys may have stumbled upon the ONE way an S31 series might be interesting. What if we got to go back to some of the major events in Trek history, in different time periods, and see what S31 had to do with them? You KNOW they had to be involved in ST6 somehow, since an entity dedicated to protecting the Federation at all costs would certainly not just sit that out.

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Or Praxis just blew up and S31 took advantage of that random action.

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What a sticky web of intrigue!

Maybe Admiral Cartwright is really Joseph Sisko... he just had his mind wiped and sent into the future with the persona, so the whole events surrounding his meeting with Sarah the Wormhole Alien etc. took place!

LOL!

Maybe Section 31 is a Wormhole Alien organisation! Maybe the Bajorans are the REAL founders of the Federation!

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Omega
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Or maybe the Federation was created by the Prophets for the express purpose of engineering Sisko's birth.

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Or maybe the entire Star Trek universe was created by a guy named Rodenberry... errrr

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Gene Roddenberry was a wormhole alien!?!

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Damn. What a masterful way of arcing the stories! What about Gene Coon?

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OK, now it's freakin' me out

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Sol System
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I recall hearing something about a mention of Roddenberry during "Far Beyond The Stars" that would have essentially been exactly that. I don't recall why it was discarded, though I think it was because the plot became too "meta" with its inclusion.

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What about the idea that was bandied about of having the closing shot of the series (i.e. the last we see in 'What You Leave Behind') depicting an elderly Benny Russell looking around the Paramount lot as the televised version of his "Deep Space Nine" was getting underway?

That would have you looking into your glasses and cups, wouldn't it!?

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