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Nim
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Time to drop the big one...
How about giving women knighthood? Surely they can be formidable fighters, in the "medieval knight" way, and they can do for their country what other nobles have...

Is there any country besides England that uses knighthood? Has there ever been?

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TSN
I'm... from Earth.
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"You fight w/ the strength of many women, good madam knight."

Nah... Hasn't got the same ring to it...

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And surely it's suppossed to show equality anyway? One term for both males and females. While "Mr. Saavik" did sound a bit weird, I've never thought that calling female officers "sir" was strange. Janeway's probably an old fashioned feminist who hates all men and wears dungarees. That's what being stuck with Chakotay for 7 years will do to you.
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I understood equality of the sexes to be more along the line of mutual repect. On that thought, military or not, shouldn't the person be awknowledged for the person they are? The men establish what those terms are for the men. The women establish those terms for the women. Both sexes agree to utilize those terms for mutual cooperation in any environment.

Another similar issue revolves around the use of he/she in interpreting rules of RPG books. An excellent letter, IMO, written by a female on this topic, is in the FEBRUARY issue of DRAGON Magazine.

I may be wrong, but everyone posting to this thread is male, so "sir" is more comfortable. I am actually curious to hear what a female perspective on this thread might read like.

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PsyLiam
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Since I am not now, or ever, likely to go and buy Dragon Magazine, what was the letter about?

Personally, and irrationally, I hate books that use "he/she" all the way through. Or, worse "s/he". If they have to demonstrate political correctness (cause Lord knows the girls love rolling their saving throws as much as the next lad), then alternating "he" and "she" during the book/magazine works best. "He/she" is just so clumsy to to read.

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TSN
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I prefer "he/she/it". If you're going to promote equality, you may as well go all the way, eh?

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Harry
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We've got knighthood in the Netherlands.
I guess women can get knighted. Why wouldn't they?
[ painful remark ] I mean, Elton John was knighted as well, wasn't he? [ /painful remark ]

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Sol System
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The female equivalent is "Dame."

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"Computer. Activate Emergency Continuity Hologram."

I just had to do that...quick someone come up with an excuse!

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Nim
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Ahh, your new sig relieves you from having to purr us manually. "Officer"-thinking, lieutenant!

I for one think Madame is a good and non-derogative term. But Ma'am doesn't sound quite as nice. And stressing on the second syllable is just naughty.

Just rewatched "Ghost In The shell" on my new WS-TV. Asskicking girls are kewl. Except for Lara and Pamela...
Motoko holds rank of major, and they only refer to her as that. Maybe japanese gender roles are even more sexist than others.
They do have the "bondaged schoolgirl" thing...

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