Topic: Why are the Ferengi Species 180? (not really any spoilers...)
Chimaera
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*displays confused look*
But wasn't the first human encounter with the Borg that of the Enterprise? When the Raven left on its mission, they already knew of the existence of the Borg, which would put the beginning of the Raven's mission after the first encounter by the Enterprise. Otherwise it would mean that Starfleet already knew about the Borg before the Enterprise mission, but then why didn't they know anything? Surely there would have been at least reports in the computer? This would mean that the timeline is rather screwed up, if the Raven's mission began approximately 20 years before Seven joined the Voyager crew.....
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It is not anymore screwed up than with Generations' events.
Starfleet may have kept the Borg a secret in the same fashion as Section 31 and the Omega Directive, but since this will start a big debate, I'd suggest another thread for something like this, keeping the species on this one.
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Starfleet found out about the Borg nearly ninety years prior to the Enterprise's encounter with them. They would almost certainly have interviewed the El Aurian refugees once the Enterprise-B made it back to Earth in 'Generations' following Kirk's "death".
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Interviewed, yes. But who says they'd tell? Even when actually faced with the Borg, Guinan was extremely selective in the information she would disclose.
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As to how the Borg contacted so many species in only a decade it may have something to do with their explorations of alternate dimensions as explained in "Scorpion II".
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Trinculo
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The episode "Dark Frontier" indicated that Starfleet knew something about the Borg. I believe they were shifting through rumors and reports just as they were doing in the years leading up to 2364 about the Ferengi. The Raven, with a small crew, was sent to investigate and confirm the reports. I have a wild hypothesis-I believe the Borg were active in Federation space as far back as 2268 when the Archanis colony was attacked. From the conversations in the episode "Devil in the Dark", the Archanis attack was not an imaginary event, it actually occured. The Federation didn't know who attacked the colony. And the Klingons were denying involvement. According to the galactic map in the episode "Conspiracy", the star Archanis is in the northern hemisphere of the galaxy. From that same point, I have come to the conclusion that the Ferengi, who were known to the Klingons (who may occupy a portion of the northern hemisphere), occupy the northern hemisphere. Further, there is mention of a northern passage in the episode "Scorpion, Part 1 and 2". Capt. Janeway wanted to use the passage because it would cut travel time. This suggests passage is easier through the northern passage. I don't believe that it is ever said where the northern passage ends in the alpha or beta quadrant. Conjectural situation- Sometime in the distant past, a Borg scout traveling the n.p. encounters a Ferengi ship on a merchant ship. The Ferengi become species 180. Second conjectural situation- A Borg ship in 2268 using the n.p. travels through Federation space and destroyes the colony on Archanis. Third conjectural situatin- A Borg ship in 2367 using the n.p. enters Federation space and is attacked at Wolf 359. There is no evidence that the Romulans had that particular ship enter their space. BTW, how many Borg ships did enter Fed. space? Based on the evidence from BOBW and Unity, the number is two. (Anyway, the transwarp conduit wasn't used until 2369. Could the Borg have learned of the transwarp conduit from the assimilated Federation captains?)
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The "Northwest Passage" was just a nickname given to an area of Borg space that happened to be free of Borg, because of 8472. It was named after the nonexistant Northwest Passage that explorers were so eager to find in North America back in the 16th and 17th centuries.
"Dark Frontier" gives a date a lot earlier than 2369 for the Borg to be playing around with transwarp.
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One explanation could be that a Ferengi in the distant past was travelling with a foreign ship that went to the Delta Quadrant where they were assimilated by the Borg. The Ferengi must have always had contacts with other races. It's not unlikely that one would have hitched a ride at some point in their history.
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Maybe the Ferengi weren't assimilated at all. If they were, the Borg would almost certainly have come after the rest of them because that's what they do when they are aware of the existance of another race, like when they followed the Enterprise back to the Alpha Quadrant after their first encounter.
The Borg don't assimilate everyone, remember the Kazon and how Seven told Neelix that there was no point in assimilating a species that would not add to their perfection (I can't remember the episode). The Borg probably just gave the Ferengi a species number and sent them on their way. Who knows, the Ferengi that they encountered may have even been Arridor and Kol, the two who were in The Price and False Prophets/Profits (sp).
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Not Unless there was a unmentioned time change that went along with the Barzan Wormhole. The Price happened a while after the Borg would have first met Humans.
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A possibile answer- Could the world F- (the Ferengi Alliance capital) have been a colony of a world that was close to the galactic core? Ships don't need warp drive to travel between stars. Warp drive's benefit is that the travel time is reduced. I don't ever remember the world F- being cited as the birth place of the Ferengi. According to Q in "Q Who?", the Borg have been developing for thousands of years. A possible scenario-
A ship or ships leaves the home world of the Ferengi People The Borg attack and assimilated the population The ship or ships arrive at F- and establish a trading empire
An interesting note-Quark in "The Jem'Hadar" says that the Ferengi never had death camps or slavery. It seems in Star Trek and in real life that such brutalities occur in a society that is multi-ethnic. This suggests to me that the Ferengi who landed on F- were of one ethnic class.
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