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I was always partial to the TMP K'T'inga battlecruiser. Although I have to admit I'm sick of seeing it now. And don't even get me started on the Bird of Prey.
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I've always found the BoP to be a very practical and unique design. When you see one, you immediately know what it is. Although I disagree witht he whole different Cruiser/Fighter-scout models. I have and always will believe that the BoP is one size, and the two sepparate ships thing was a quick and cheap excuse to explain on-screen size fuckups.
The D-7 and K'tinga on the other hand are not very special, in my opinion. While they seem based on the same archetecture of the BoP (or rather vice versa), I don't exactly find it very agressive, or very well detailed, a typical Klingon-esque trait in their ships. The Vor'cha however is a great design. I don't know why, but it just stands out as something I like.
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Personally I like the D-7/K'tinga. Good lines. Albeit I always thought the scale was fucked up. The ships are supposed to be smaller than the Enterprise, but you look at the number of windows and their spacing and you gotta wonder...
The BOP always struck me as style over substance. Its wings are the height of impracticality (why can't people who design S.F. ships ever understand how lift really works), and it has none of the features of a warp capable vessel.
The Vorcha...it's the illigitimate child of the Draconia from 1978's Buck Rogers (the resemblance is striking).
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Personally i liked all the Klingon ships since they were well designed and different. From the Klingon D7, the K't'Inga, to the Negh'Var. However, i was not a big fan of the K'Vort Class nor did i like the idea of seeing a K't'Inga in service during the war. But what really annoying me is that a D7 is in service in 2151. I hope the next klingon ship we see is a new design. I heard there will be a raptor class scout ship in the next episode and i hope they don't use any exisitng models for that.
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quote:I have and always will believe that the BoP is one size, and the two sepparate ships thing was a quick and cheap excuse to explain on-screen size fuckups.
I first noticed this in "Yesterday's Enterprise," when the Ent-D was first attacked by a small BoP, correctly referred to as a scout ship, but was then attacked later by these huge ships which bore an uncanny resemblance to the smaller BoP.
I believe what happened was that since no new Klingon battlecruiser had yet been designed or built, TPTB needed some kind of larger ship to be a believable threat to a Galaxy class ship. Hence, they decided, "Hey, let's take the BoP and scale it up about a million times, and call it a new ship! Wow, we really saved some money here because we don't have to build a new model!"
Of course, next season someone built the Vor'cha model, and the large K'Vort class ships from "YE" went bye-bye.
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quote: Of course, next season someone built the Vor'cha model, and the large K'Vort class ships from "YE" went bye-bye.
Oh, really? Take a look at the shot in "Reunion" when the three Klingon ships are facing the E-D in the background. The two Birds of Prey flanking the Vor'cha-class ship looked to be a lot bigger than a 12-man scout vessel.
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And how about those Birds-of-Prey from "The Defector"? According to some people, those ships appear to be 600 meters PLUS!
Damn VFX fudging...
Anyway, I've always liked the Klingon designs. The D7/K't'inga are okay, they work for the TOS era. The Bird-of-Prey is definitely one of my all-time favorites. Yeah, the wings aren't the most functional... but they're visually impressive. That's something the BOP tries to do (like its Romulan predecessor) -- intimidate the enemy with a scary looking ship.
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The Klingon ships from "Reunion" were a different size still. From the "YE" ep, the K'Vorts looked to be as large as the Ent-D. In "Reunion", they were smaller than the Vor'cha, which is itself smaller than the Ent-D, IIRC.
As far as the "Defector" Klingon ships go, again this episode was made before the Vor'cha model was built, with the same circumstances: TPTB needed a Klingon ship large enough to battle a Romulan Warbird. It is not unreasonable to assume that the 600" long ships were the same as the K'Vorts.
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I don't like different sizes idea too... I saw a non-canon design named Boreth, a hybird of BoP and Vor'Cha, designed for the same things as BoP- fast attack.However, I can't get a picture, I have a 3d model on hard...If you'll explain me how to upload pictures, I'll post it.
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i've always been a big fan of the vor'cha. personally, i wish that they had at least added something to the big BOP's to make them look a little different, but what are you going to do?
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Huh,I just wish that someone will explain to me how to upload pictures to hosts...I just don't know how...
Boreth, actually, is somewhere inbetween of BoP and Vor'Cha, and in fact, looks loke a Vor'Cha with BoP proportions.But it's very good design.Don't know who made it, but it's present in SoA mod for game HomeWorld(in case someone don't know.) You may ask something here Look for Homeworld Trek forum.
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