1. The US Navy does have a 1 star ranks. It's not called Commodore, but it is called Rear Admiral Lower Half. Don't ask me why it's like that.
2. A Rear Admiral was mentioned on screen. In AGT, Picard reads an order for him to take command of the E-D. It was from Rear Admiral Nora Satie.
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Yeah, i knew the navy still had the one star grade, i just forgot what it was called.. its another reason i would want to stay captain.. 'captain' sounds so cool, and then to call someone 'rear admiral lower half.' i try to keep mention of my rear OR my lower half out of official address.
whats the bloody point anyway, because up until a few years ago they still had 'commodore' in the USN, and then renamed it? its not like it makes any appreciable difference in the scheme of things, does it?
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quote:Originally posted by CaptainMike: I'm a hard trekkie..
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The annoying thing about Kirk's rank in TMP is that Gene and Co. had forgotten about the Commodore rank from TOS. That's the only reason Kirk wasn't a Commodore in that movie. And that's only dialogue. Bob Fletcher's notes for TMP indicate that rank level as Commodore, so he didn't forget. And in his notes for II-III-IV, he indicates the lowest flag rank as Commodore still, as well.
As for TNG on, we've never yet seen a one-pip Admiral, so we have no reason to assume they're not still around even now.
It's possible the minimum rank allowed for Chief of Starfleet Operations is Rear Admiral, so if they want someone who's currently a Captain for the job, they have to promote him straight past Commodore. By this token, anyone know what position Janeway is filling? Is she going to be a one-pipper or a two-pipper? There's still too much I don't know.
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quote:The annoying thing about Kirk's rank in TMP is that Gene and Co. had forgotten about the Commodore rank from TOS.
But then, why did they include Commodore Probert in the comm chatter?
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possibly Commodore is a 'skippable' rank.. given to command officers being promoted above captain, but when a position in the admiralty proper isnt available, perhaps because admiral is a rank and an office, and when there's no office available you become a commodore. Possibly also reserved for administrative officers.. like the inept redshirt commodores we kept seeing.
Commodore Probert is the last commodore ever mentioned on Trek then, although there are a couple of TNG era ones in novels. Shatner's novels had a holographic commodore from a section-31-like agency, and Riker thinking that was odd because the position was mostly honorary in Starfleet, and skipped more often than not.
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Yes, the last mentioned. But there was at least one Commodore in the Federation Council scene in TVH.
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The reason they got rid of the Commodore rank was because all the Commodores bitched that they were as good as Admirals and had stars on their shoulders but they weren't actually called Admirals. So they turned the Commodores into Admirals, but being that they had no imagination, they made Commodores into Rear Admirals, despite them already having a Rear Admiral rank. But they solved that by making Lower and Upper halfs. Genius.
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Indeed, this is a rather non-technical thread, isn't it? I hadn't really paid a lot of attention. Off you go...
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Anyway, I hope Janeway doesn't end up with the 3 star Vice-Admiral rank like what Ross had in DS9. I would think that having the 3 star rank would be given to someone who actually has experience higher to a captain.
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