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Yes.. the Klingon word is 'tlhIngan'
the Klingon letter 'tlh' is, at the beginning of a word, most easily pronounced 'KL' by English and Standard speakers (depending on where the accent of the word is, 'tlh' when it occurs at the middle or end of a word can also be pronounced 'th' or 'x'
'-ngan' is a Klingon suffix which is equivalent to adding '-ian' to English words.. terangan is a Human ('tera' meaning Earth) romuluSngan is a Romulan etc..
The most correct pronunciation of the word 'Klingon' hasnt occured since their first appearance, 'Errand of Mercy' where it sounded more like 'Klingan'.. later appearances it has very often been pronounced Kling-ON with more of an accent on the later syllable (saying it with a Terran accent)
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Well, according to the John M. Ford Klingons (in The Final Reflection, 'kli' or 'klin' was the fighting spirit of the Klingon people.. ('He is full of the klin, that one') so 'tlhIngan' would mean 'those who are of the fighting spirit' which, in those novels, the Klingons believed only they posessed and other species lacked, making the Klingon race superior.
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That was a great book.
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Even though TNG Klingons are very different from the Klingon culture as we saw it there, I still think there could be some way to reconcile the two histories (perhaps at the same time explaining the forehead issue-- i think FutureGuy had given gene-morph capability to Klingon at some point in his Temporal Cold War, and the traits carried on into the 2260s but were bred out after that.. meaning that Kor, Kang and Koloth just closed their eyes and made their foreheads go away and come back at will.. lol.
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The thing about "The Final Reflection" was that John Ford, like GR, never liked how the Klingons were portrayed in TOS. He came up with a highly detailed civilization for the Klingons for his book, based on both family and honor. When Ron Moore was asked to re-design Klingon culture for TNG, "The Final Reflection" was one of the sources he used. That's why "new" Klingon society values honor above all else. Yes, the book is quite different from TNG, but the core ideas are there.
Personally, I like Ford's version better than TNG, but then again I like TNG's version better than TOS's version, which pretty much made the Klingons a bunch of honorless, one-dimensional, intergalactic troublemakers.
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Need i point out that all of that is non-canon?
What I'm saying is that Americans come from America, Canadians come from Canada, Mexicans come from Mexico, etc... Andorians come from Andor/ia, Tellarites come from Tellar, and Klingons come from Kling. I don't see anything 'silly' about it.
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Um.. except that canonically Klingons come from Kronos. Its the name of their homeworld. My sources are 'Broken Bow' [ENT]; 'The Undiscovered Country'; and a few DS9 eps too.
I was talking about a very well written novel. I didnt say that anything I said was or was not canon.. so i didnt need you to point it out. And next time don't.
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"What I'm saying is that Americans come from America"
True. In that most people when they say "American" mean "US citizen", and "America" mean "The United States of North America".
And humans don't come from "huma". While we're at it, the Dutch don't come from Dutcha either. And French and France only have the first two letters in common. Although I am happy to remain Englishan. Or Britianan.
"Saying Kling sounds silly is like saying 'Klingons' or 'Klingonese' sound silly."
"Klingons" does sound silly. It really, really does. The only reason you don't think it does it that you've become desensitised to it.
Come on, if there was an alien race introduced in Enterprise called "Grab-ons", you'd laugh and call R&R silly monkeys.
I really want to meet the person who came up with the name Klingon and just say "honestly, was that the best you could do? Or was it a choice between Klingon and Arsemunchers?"
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and people from France arent called Francians people from Japan arent called Japanians and where do the F'Talligatri'itese people come from? oh well
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My understanding is that Roddenberry named the Klingons after a friend of his named "Clingan".
I'd also point out that the Danes are from Denmark, the Welsh are from Wales, and that Letts are from Latvia. Also, the moons of Jupiter are considered "Jovian".
Besides, the argument wasn't over the feasability of the Klingon Homeworld being called "Kling", because it could have been quite easily (and almost was).
No, our argument was:
1/ It's called Kronos/Qu'onos. 2/ "Kling" sounds really silly.
Tim: Really? While I suppose we should be glad he didn't have a friend called "Niggerhater", or something charming like that, it still doesn't mean that "Klingon" is not a silly name. Because it is.
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