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And Enterprise managed to get below even that... That's why I'm so surprised...
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quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam: Yes, damn them for kidnapping your family, locking them in a room and then threatening to shoot them in the head unless you buy The Newest Crossover Series Of Novels Where The Captains Get Together And Eat The Defiant. Or whatever.
That's not what happened.
I saw the Enterprise books, and i looked at the covers and they looked like good books. Imagine my surprise when I found they hadn't even been proofread!
They looked like good books! The covers were good! That's how you're supposed to tell, right? by the covers?
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quote:Originally posted by NightWing: Birds of Prey got canceled because it had bad ratings, and it's above Enterprise
There are many, many reasons why shows get cancelled. Audience demographic, desirability of advert breaks, merchandising, costs of making the show, monkey eating, and more.
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quote:Originally posted by NightWing: Birds of Prey got canceled...
Finally making way for that Klingon sit-com with the same title which will get cancelled after half an episode.
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quote:They looked like good books! The covers were good! That's how you're supposed to tell, right? by the covers?
Being an avid reader of Star Trek novels myself, I can honestly say that these days, Star Trek novel cover art is about as dull as that show with the NX-01. Almost every novel's cover is just a painting of one or more of the crew members, mostly in a pose they took for a publicity photo.
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actually its worse than that: All of the novels this year have had Very Bad Photoshop work done on their covers. The Enterprise novel What Price Honor has an image of Reed from his publicity photo, with the colors skewed off of true somehow (and looking pretty pixelated at that) with the bridge in the background, also with bad color adjustment.
The rest of the novels seem to be using the basic Photoshop filters, but so poorly that it looks like a child made them.
The worst part is when they combine to Pshop plugins to make a bizarre looking distorted image (Mission Gamma, Janus Gate)
really awful stuff.
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I agree. Cover art these days is just absolutely awful. However, I still have fond memories of the older novels with the Boris Vallejo cover art. Vallejo actually based his cover art on *gasp* the actual novel's story, and the fictional characters therein, instead of just one of the main cast. His version of the Federation class dreadnought from the "Dreadnought!" book was simply amazing. He must have been a fan of FJ. And my hands-down favorite cover: Krenn playing chess with the boy Spock while an unknown Vulcan/Romulan/Tharavul looks disapprovingly on, from "The Final Reflection."
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"Time For Yesterday"--Zar riding out of the Guardian of Forever as Spock stands off to the side. Yes.
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even when the novels actually had the balls to paint new pictures of the characters.. like Hamesaad Dreen on the cover of 'Legacy' or Joanna McCoy on 'Crisis on Centaurus'. nowaday they just repackage publicity garbage for us, by an artist whose education level in photoshop is about the same as my cat's...
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We have a cat in our art department. He's really quite good. If only they didn't have to replace his mouse every week...
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That's the problem with cover art these days...(at least for the ST novels)...the artist just makes random paintings, which have absolutely nothing to do with the story inside the book. Plus the artwok is just bad. I have a mind to contact Pocket Books and complain, just to see what they'd tell me.
There's a trilogy by Frederick Pohl called "The Other End of Time." They're absolutely excellent books, about a group of aliens who want humans to join their "Federation," & fight with them against another alien race, but it turns out that their enemy is actually the good guys. (There's much more to it than that, but that's the gist of the plot).
However, the cover artist apparently never bothered to actually read the book he was making the art for, because the paintings had nothing to do with the story. I think many Sci-fi books have this problem.
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quote:Originally posted by Matrix: For the most part, it's not the general public getting turned off, but the Trekkie fans...
Interesting comment. If that is the case, then that would mean the end of a “built-in audience.” No?
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I wonder what kept Star Trek afloat after TNG went off the air? I think it was the 'built-in' audience along with a handdul of people who just can't find any better on.
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