posted March 09, 2001 04:14 PM
Anyone know any sites with maps of naval battles as they progressed and stuff? I've been doing a Google search with a few results. Like these:
Aren't these neat? And (hint hint) wouldn't it be great if we could eventually work up something like this for some of Starfleet's historical engagements? Like Wolf 359, for example?
Mark
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posted March 09, 2001 10:31 PM
I've been working on a few maps like that to go along with my History of the Earth-Romulan War that I've been working on with Masao.
posted March 10, 2001 01:49 AM
Sol: Well, the ships obviously attacked in several waves (re: "Emissary"). I'd like to map those waves, possible formations of the ships (see my post on the Wolf 359 Graveyard), tactics, used, etc. I mean, you can't just say that "six ships engaged the Bismarck and one was destroyed before the Bismarck was sunk", can you?
Mark
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posted March 10, 2001 02:01 AM
MinutiaeMan: Shit hot. In the word of everyone's favorite punching bag: GREAT IDEA!!
gonna read it later though
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posted March 10, 2001 03:31 AM
Well since the method of displaying ship distances in Trek is out-the-fucking-window (ships at five hundred thousand kilometres distance are spotted with the naked eye), a map showing the courses of the ships would be oh so hard to ascertain. A location of the battle, yes, a direct display of turns and twists, doubtful.
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posted March 10, 2001 05:48 AM
Yes, but Masao and I are working on different principles (for the Earth-Romulan War, anyway). He started with the idea of warp-capable missiles with a range of up to 5 AU or more. Combine that with the use of ship formations rather than individual ships, and the map will work reasonably well.
posted March 14, 2001 10:04 AM
Nice idea! I assume you will be using Director/Shockwave? If you need help with conceptualization, advise.
Have you thought of using a perspective grid, ribbon paths for the ships, and simple rotating arrows for the ships themselves (which then have "pop-up" screens to show actual ship engagements). I could propably help with the grid itself (see my galaxy map grids), to achieve a Starfleet look - al'a TCARS.
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posted March 14, 2001 10:36 AM
Woah... that's a lot more than I could handle! I'm strictly a 2-D guy. Would be nice to have stuff like that, but I really can't handle anything like that.
Though if anyone else wanted to try... I'm working on a detailed account of the Battle of Hell's Gate right now, and I hope to get it finished in the next few days. If anyone would like to try a 3-D map of the battle, that would be great!
posted March 14, 2001 11:24 AM
1: What is the Battle of Hell's Gate? 2: With a properly designed grid, this would be a 2d project. I will send a grid when it is finished.
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posted March 14, 2001 11:54 AM
The Battle of Hell's Gate is one of the battles during the Earth-Romulan War. Masao and I have been working on a thorough story for months. It was the biggest battle of the war -- supposed to be a major Romulan offensive into the heart of United Earth territory, but things went wrong and the UE destroyed pretty much the entire fleet, and the rest of the Romulan ships self-destructed.
posted March 14, 2001 02:08 PM
Erm, just a comment. If you want to get real nitpicky, space battles should be mapped in 3D since, well, space is three dimensional. Sorry to be a spoil-sport.
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posted March 14, 2001 04:03 PM
Just my thoughts...
Most 99.5% of Star Trek combat takes place in the same relative two-dimensional plane...does this not make 3D battle maps not really necessary?
Frankly, I would rather have cool 2D maps, than confusing 3D maps.
Art
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