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Peregrinus
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Mark, Chris... Anyone out there with better spatial estimation skills than yours truly.

I would like help nailing down size, shape, and peripherals of the original Enterprise engineering set. Franz Joseph's plans and Technical Manual are a good starting point, as is the Star Trek Sketchbook. But other things that aren't included in the former works or are unclear in the latter require assistance...

Suggested episodes to view include "Day of the Dove", "Elaan of Troyius", "That Which Survives", and "The Ultimate Computer".

Specifically, I'd like estimates on how far out the outboard entry corridor the Jeffries' tube is, how high off the deck it is, and the diameter of the tube... Guesses as to where the vestibule on the second level gantry (aft) leads... Guesses as to where the M/AM service crawlspace is located... What's out the inboard entrance seen most prominently in "Elaan of Troyius"... Whether there's any sort of bulkhead under Scotty's second-level office, or if it runs straight fore to aft like a skyway...

Have at.

--Jonah

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There is also the drawing in the Star Trek Fact Files. If, however, the scale is as wrong as on the TOS bridge, this wouldn't be of much help. The engineering dimensions looks realistic, though.

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Mark Nguyen
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Alas, TOS isn't my real specialty era, or sizes of stuff for that matter... But my guess is that the upper deck leads to various subsystem monitoring rooms, since there seems to be little of that on thea main deck. It's beyond me why they'd have it all the way up there, though - it means that there'd have to be something big in the way under the upper deck - plasma conduits, fuel tubes, etc.

I thought the J-tube was like two feet off the ground.. But the Sketchbook should be able to answer that one.

Mark

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Hey, I've got TOS set blueprints. They were sold years ago, and I can scan the engineering areas for you.
Email me at [email protected]

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Are they actual set blueprints? Or the Franz Joseph U.S.S. Constitution deckplans?

And you know, if it weren't for that clear shot out the engineering entrance in "Day of the Dove" (a problematic episode for many Treknical reasons), I'd have to put the Jeffries tube access somewhere else -- like maybe out that second level exit. As is, there isn't enough room for engineering and the reactors to fit in front of the shuttlebay and still have the Jeffries tube line up with the nacelle pylons if they are where the set places them...

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They're actual set blueprints. Basically everything in Stage 9 - bridge, sickbay, engineering, corridor, transporter room, rec room, all arranged how they were in the building. The one I have that has engineering says it was for Journey to Babel. It's a huge blueprint, so I'd have to scan it in about 6 or 8 parts and piece together in Photoshop. Of course, the layout is how the real sets were, so the locations of the locations aren't how they would be on the "real" ship, if you know what I mean.

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I do know exactly what you mean, don't worry. Gods, this is wonderful, Zor. Consider me begging in a dignified manner.

--Jonah

P.S. Do you really have purple hair?

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No purple hair, sorry. The Regis scared it white.
So, I don't think that the blueprint has the detail you are looking for, jeffries tubes and such, but I can send it to you, and if you want the rest I can scan the rest of the sheet too.
Your info doesn't have an email.
Mail me at [email protected] so I can reply.
Or can I post it on here some way?


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I don't know if this helps, but if you look in 'the Star Trek sketch book'?? there is that table mock-up of all the sets that were continually used on the Enterprise...

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Does anyone have a stage layout for TNG, by chance?

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Mark Nguyen
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Nope - but there's one for the DS9 sets in the Making of DS9 book...

Mark

PS - Edit: This is the 10,200th post in the Tech forum. Yikes!

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Isn't there a stage layout in Inside Star Trek? Is this the same one as your blueprint? Even if it is, can you post it somewhere, or email what you have to me as well?! I really want to see it.

By the way, there's a picture of the engineering set over at the IDIC page. http://members.aol.com/WMccullars/GemKirk6.html
I don't suppose it'll help, but it's cool.


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Yeah, me too. I can't wait to get my hands on that one. That would be sooo great!!

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How specific do you need the measurements? I mean, the relative scales of the sets are pretty well documented in The Making of Star Trek, where there's a plan of stage 9. I don't recall that there's a key to the scale, though. :\

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Yes, what I have is similar to what is in the Making of Star Trek. What I have is about 31 x 23 inches and is specific to the day's shooting. I have I think 5 different blueprints showing the stage setup for different days.
I'd be glad to email the scan of the engineering area, but I need addresses to send it to.

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