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I've just watched the scene again. It looks like Stone is looking lower down on the chart. Maybe 1672 or 1664...
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Usually I like to think that those ships with the 16xx range are actually refits to the Constitution class. If the Constitution class is a whole lot older than what we like to believe then the USS Constitution NCC-1700 is the prototype and everything in the 17xx range is the actual production run. I doubt that Starfleet would build ships with a lower number unless it was part of a older class.
Just for curiosty, is there evidence that these 16xx ships are Constitution class?
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We don't really get ANY hints about ship classes in TOS. There's Kirk's "There's only twelve like it in the fleet", but apart from that, there's pretty much nothing on the various classes of ship Starfleet has. We get ship types, but not classes.
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Wrong shape of the bridge superstructure, wrong taper on the warp engine nacelles, wrong shape of the secondary hull, wrong angle on the primary hull rim, wrong interpretation of Main Engineering -- both size and placement, bad interpretation of what would have to be behind the place where the main sensor/deflector dish attaches to the secondary hull, massive redundancy between primary and secondary hull layouts.
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A consideration- One of the captains at the "Court Martial" is wearing science blue. This captain may command a research starship. This starship could be at the docking yards which are near to M-11 (Starbase 11) and is on the list.
Another consideration- There is no evidence for all of these ships to be Connies. There is evidence to support the contention that the list may be listing ships of different starship classes. In the year of this episode, there were at least two starship classes in service-the Enterprise and the unnamed starship of "The Menagerie".
Another consideration- There is no canonical evidence to support the registry theories that I am reading at this thread. Further, the only time the NCC-1700 is seen is in the episode "Datalore". This ship is seen from the top with the registry and no corresponding name. (She is a refit.) And since the diagram in "Space Seed" is not readable and hasn't been seen again, the NCC-1700 is a Constitution Class starship with no name. So, our list reads as follows-
NCC- USS Constitution NCC- USS Defiant NCC- USS Excalibur NCC- USS Exeter NCC- USS Farrugut (rf. below) NCC- USS Hood NCC- USS Intrepid (rf. below) NCC- USS Lexingtion NCC- USS Potemkin NCC-1017 USS Constellation NCC-1700 NCC-1701 USS Enterprise NCC-1701-A USS Enterprise
This partial list supports the contention by some that the USS Constitution precedes the USS Constellation in the order of ships.
Another consideration- The USS Intrepid's crew is numbered at 430. This is from "The Immunity Syndrome". How many classes of ships would have the same number of crew? I don't think very many, and this is why I list the USS Intrepid as Connie. Though there is a possibility that the ship was Connie, she may have been something else. The same could be said for the USS Farrugut which had about 400 crew members in the 2250's.
All of the above has been based on what is hearable and seeable in the episodes and films without the assistance of tech manuals, encyclopedias, and other wriiten material.
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Oh, I forgot to mention... Yes, Fitz, go ahead and use it. Before I saw the episode, I'd always wished there were a screencap of that chart, but there wasn't. Now that I've made one, it'd be nice if everyone could see it... :-)
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Connies used to only have 203 crewmembers... as per The Menagerie/The Cage. I wonder why that changed.
Was the Constellation definately a connie? '17' type... maybe it was a '10' type connie? i.e. 1701 and 1017
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The 203 crew thing could be mission-specific. Perhaps the trip to Rigel had been a long one, and the crew had eaten each other en route? Or a bit more seriously, forks, perhaps crew size was limited and stores increased for long trips?
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If the Constellation wasn't a Constitution-class, it was doing a damn good impression.
Is it the Franz Joseph blueprints that put Engineering behind the Impulse engines, while everyone else puts them in the secondary hull? Or the other way around?
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Yeah, we got to see some pretty good images of the half-destroyed Constellation. It's a Constitution. And I'm not sure if I buy into this "17" connie versus "10" connie. I mean, it is possible there were two construction contracts, but if we go by the theory that early registries are in (relatively) sequential order, the "10" connies would be much older than the "17" connies. Perhaps by decades. I don't think there would be such a big gap between "orders".
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We already know that it isn't uncommon for registries to be totally non-indicative of when a ship was launched. So I don't see the problem w/ having Constitutions back to the ten-hundreds (or even nine-hundreds, counting the Eagle).
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