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Have another look. Its the Akira thats in the Generations drydock, and the Saber that is in what looks like a variant of the Mckinley station. Paradoxically an excelsior is seen to be berthed in a TMP drydock.
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Well, given that the drydock mostly consists of a frame w/ lights on it, I see no reason why they couldn't come in a multitude of sizes...
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quote:Originally posted by TSN: Well, given that the drydock mostly consists of a frame w/ lights on it, I see no reason why they couldn't come in a multitude of sizes...
Or be modular. You assemble different sized frames for different sized ships. If you stop building a ship of a certain size, you just add a few more brackets to the dock or take away some for the next size.
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I agree. The problem comes from that pesky little habitat module they stuck on for generations, it should be relativly smaller in a Galaxy sized drydock.
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- Yes, drydocks are modular and come in different sized
- I FREELY ADMIT that I paid little attention to scaling ships to their proper size in relation to each other for the UP shots. If this story has never been told here, all the UP stuff was done because we WANTED to do it. All the producers asked for (and budgeted) was a single shot of the Voyager in a drydock, but being crazy fans, Rob and I didn't want to get this close to seeing UP and not go all the way. We gave up all our free time for several weeks just so we could do the two shots in the sequence and FINALLY see UP on screen.
Some details slipped by, and the ships sizes were one of them (also contributing to this was the fact that the scene had SO many millions of polygons that we had to break it up into multiple passes, so not until the shot was finished did we actually see all the ships and drydocks onscreen at once. So the comparisons amongst sizes didn't hit home until we were done).
- I've never been a big fan of McKinley station, so I prefer not to use it. Drydocks are just cooler.
- Beat me with a stick, but I never knew that the D was built inside a spacedock. THAT'S WHY I'M HERE!! TO LEARN!! :-)
Besides, we never said it was being built in the drydock! IT was undergoing repairs... or something... and as far as the 2002 calendar, in which we say it's the D being constructed at UP... ummmm... ererrr... a little help?
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Hmm... The spaceframe and other major parts were probably assembled in an MacKanly-type station, since they would need to move large pieces of the ship into position to be welded. A simple drydock seems to lack equipement and support for such a task, while a spacedock would mean having to get the stuff inside, and manuver in much tighter quarters. The majority of smaller internal fitting and whatever Starfleet considered really classified stuff was probably done inside the spacedock, along with system tests and tweaking. Drydock for whatever is considered too dangerous to fool around with inside a spacedock (or a MacKanly again), spit-and-polish and cracking-of-fine-wine-over-hull.
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Ahhhh It's nice to know the story behind the UP scene! It's nice to know that you DID know about the scaling sizes ;o) I agree that sweeping scene was great - thanks for the extra time and effort!
Can I ask - in the Calendar version, there seems to be lights on the surface of mars - in the shadowy part on the left... are these city lights or is it just the sun reflected off high mountains/hills/cliffs/mesas?
Also - can anyone CAPTURE the scene with the E-D in Spacedock from "Booby Trap"!?! I believe the 'skeleton' and some of the plating can be seen!
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Hey, there's nothing in the central spread image to suggest the E-D was busy being *built* at UP when we see it in the drydock. For all we know, it could be there at any of the times we see her come back to the solar system, for an overhaul or quick refit.
quote:Originally posted by Mojo: [QB- Beat me with a stick, but I never knew that the D was built inside a spacedock. THAT'S WHY I'M HERE!! TO LEARN!! :-) [/QB]
Another theory that would clear up any continuty errors with spacedocks would be that a ship would perhaps move from one facility to another at various stages of construction, testing. The spaceframe is assembled in one place, and maybe there's another entire dock of sorts used for warp engine tests or what have you. That seems a logical explanation for the different types of docks we've seen. a) Mushroom spacedock for out-of-sight construction b) TMP frame spacedock for general construction or hull work (since you can mount work cranes to reach virtually any portion of the ship c) McKinley type "spider" docks which are primarily for resupply and internal repairs and/or as testing facilities, as in... Ent-D leaving McKinley type spacedock
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ooh.. lookit that.. K't'inga variant.. and the connie refit has the alternate rec room windows probert designed
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quote:Originally posted by Mojo: I FREELY ADMIT that I paid little attention to scaling ships to their proper size in relation to each other for the UP shots. If this story has never been told here, all the UP stuff was done because we WANTED to do it. All the producers asked for (and budgeted) was a single shot of the Voyager in a drydock, but being crazy fans, Rob and I didn't want to get this close to seeing UP and not go all the way. We gave up all our free time for several weeks just so we could do the two shots in the sequence and FINALLY see UP on screen.
Mojo, for that I am extremely grateful. I can't say how happy I am that there are people like you who are paying this much attention to detail. It's one of the reasons why I'm going to pre-order the "Unseen Frontier" book the very day that it's available... you've sold me on this work by your very presence here.
I hate to sound like an overeager fanboy, but it really DOES mean a lot that you put this much effort into your work. Thanks.
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