quote:Originally posted by targetemployee: A really stupid question- On the header to this topic, the poster listed a series of names and registries. What is the source of this list?
quote:Originally posted by Proteus: ...st a few notes. Most of the names are conjecture (obvious)...
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quote:Originally posted by Harry: Don't you think that piece of debris looks like it could have come from this study by John Goodson, as seen in the TNG Sketchbook?
Extremely. Wow thats a good find. Wasn't this an original Enterprise-E design? was ever modeled?
I also thought It might of been a piece of the Endevor (see: TNG Movies Sketchbook) but I dont think that got past initial sketching.
In all truth, the peice of debris was probably just modeled as debris.
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Might be good to get some of these registries straight. The sequence was shot in 1996, after DS9's season four wrapped, and possibly after preproduction on season five had started. So, isn't the Nebula likely to be the "Leeds" that is usually docked on the upper pylon of DS9? What was the Miranda last labeled as (IIRC, it also was seen docked at the end of "Way of the Warrior").
It's possible that the models were relabeled, but until we know for certain, why not pick the most likely names for them?
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Probably whatever it was labled in "Generations" for the final shot....actually, now that I think about it, didn't they create CG models of those 3 ships for the jump into warp? someone look at the footage and see if the jump looks like the old fashioned stretch or the newer CG warp. My point is, if they did make CGI models for these three then it might explaine their presence in First Contact amoungst the new CG ships.
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The ships at the end of Generations were physical models. The Nebula was labeled as the Farragut (NCC-60597), the Oberth as the Valiant (NCC-20000), and the Miranda is at this point unknown. (Though a theory holds that it may have been the Bozeman [NCC-1941].)
The physical Nebula model was last labeled as the Leeds (NCC-70352) but I think the ship that it's supposed to represent in the film is the Lexington (NCC-61832). It probably doesn't represent the Endeavour (NCC-71805), as there were plans to create a new ship named that for this movie.
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If that Miranda was never relabeled, it may still say "USS Saratoga NCC-31911", it's previous appearance. (With the rollbar saying, "USS Brittain, NCC-21166".) And that theory about it representing the Bozeman is your theory alone, Mim.
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Actually, it's not mine, it came from several other people. But I find it very interesting, and maybe even probable.
But you are most correct in that we've seen no verification of it in any solid way.
However, in Generations, it is definitely a 4-digit registry on the Miranda, so it cannot be the Saratoga's or the Brattain's. It's impossible to tell even remotely what it is, but it does appear to be an NCC-xxxx.
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The only known four-digit number that would fit is that of the Bozeman, which is interesting since the ship was mentioned both in "Generations" and here in "First Contact". Okuda never bothered to make up a separate registry for the new Bozeman in the Encyclopedia, so it's quite likely that this indeed was that same Bozeman.
I don't see a problem with the ship being refitted into a standard Miranda. Back in the 23rd century, they might've been unable to perform such a refit, and as FrankG's SWDAO points out, it's probably a relatively new hull -- the time loop kept it in its 2278 condition, and we have no evidence that the Mirandas are refits of forty-year-old starships like the Constitutions were.
I'd make the Bozeman into a Miranda-class rather than a Soyuz, keep the Nebula-class Lexington, and use any other reasonable name for that other Miranda. The Majestic seems fine -- after all, it always seems to pop up when needed , so why not here as well?
It�s two great pics, and the lower one is from the beer label, but the top one, with two ships? What is that, and where in the borg battle can you see those two ships?? I know, stupid question, but I really can�t see it anywhere
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quote:Originally posted by Proteus: Nuts... now I have to disagree. I dont know about R looking like a norway, i think it looks a lot more like an intrepid. the norway isnt 'domed' like that..
K was blown up by the explosion, i belive.
As for the debris. Its clearly not saber-class.
Yeah it does, but I just seem to recall the original sequence was that "N" the Norway swinging around from behind the cube to the front to get tractored.
At least thats how I remembered it.
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