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I think the only place where 'SS' appeared was the early information about the ship. But since the Enterprise has no prefix at all and the other ships mentioned had ECS, the SS is still a 'TOS-and-beyon'-era designation.
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And Braga specifically stated that NX-01 rightfully had no prefix, in ST: Communicator.
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Oh, it's definitely not SS Enterprise, yes. That's wrong and stupid and all that. But I'm pretty sure the Conestoga had an SS prefix.
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But Mim apparently really likes the SS prefix (see his shiplist)
On this shiplist, i notice that Cpt. has the USS Dauntless NX-01. While I wholeheartedly agree, the possibility should be recognized that the Dauntless was NCC-01.
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Or, the even more likely possibility that it never existed.
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quote:In that, in all likelihood, the Valkyrie name and registry materialized specifically for the exhibits and was never filmed. Especially since we seem to be concluding that the Constie model stayed Hathaway from 'Peak Performance' until its final appearance in 'Redemption', based on a screencap.
Yes, Mike, I think you're right.
Here's the situation for "Redemption"(IIRC): Four ships were shown on screen. The Enterprise, an Ambassador, a Constellation, & a Nebula.
The Ambassador was referred to as the Excalibur, but was actually labelled Zhukov, as it's the same shot from "Data's Day" only with more ships imposed. (And I believe there's a later shot of the ship using stock footage from "Yesterday's Enterprise," so it's also the Ent-C. I believe the model was re-labeled as "Yamaguchi" for Emissary, and that TPTB wanted to use it at the end of Generations.
The Constellation was never given a spoken name, but had "Hathaway" on the hull from it's previous use. Surprisingly, the Hathaway was not listed on the tachyon grid screen (probably because it was supposed to be decommissioned by this time). This was the last time a Constellation appeared in the series.
The Nebula was, of course, the Sutherland, the name both spoken in dialogue and written on the model.
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quote:Originally posted by Dukhat: The Ambassador was referred to as the Excalibur, but was actually labelled Zhukov, as it's the same shot from "Data's Day" only with more ships imposed. (And I believe there's a later shot of the ship using stock footage from "Yesterday's Enterprise," so it's also the Ent-C. I believe the model was re-labeled as "Yamaguchi" for Emissary, and that TPTB wanted to use it at the end of Generations.
Well, the model was at one point labeled as the Excalibur. Look at this pic.
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Here is some confirmation, Amasov, from the encyclopedia:
Rudman, Commander . Officer on the Starship Merrimac . ("Birthright, Part I [TNG])
I know there is supposed to be a "k" there, but there isn't one in the encyclopedia. Also, the Merrimack isn't listed anywhere else in the book as being mentioned in "Birthright." It was robably heard over a PA system on DS9.
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I should also point out the Light-up Ambassador model by AMT/ERTL includes decals for both the USS Excalibur and USS Yamaguchi. It's an Ambassador Mk. II (the upgraded version).
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What truth? My source is as good as yours. You trust whatever comes out of our pal Brannon's mouth, and I trust the U.S. government tademark & copyright office.
For now, at least. Of course, if it ever gets stated in the show somewhere or gets confirmed in an official reference source (of course, I mean other than just an interview with someone like Braga) I'll gladly accept it and shut up. But for now I certainly hope it will just end up as one of those silly little insights from the producer that come to be ignored, like Roddenberry's statement that the TOS-era Starfleet had no enlisted personnel, only officers, and other such assorted crap.
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